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thought one: they CAN absorb water through the skin but so slowly noone knows yet.
thought two: the skin stays hydrated in the soil reducing the need to use stores to shed, reducing stress and conserving water.
thought three: they could hyper-hydrate.
thought four: Ancient Egypt was lush with life. It was actually hotter which actually caused more humidity and rain, more vegetation grew and animals lived there that do not now. It was all not yet desertified. Uromastyx such as aegyptius are said to have inhabited the burrrows of the gravel plains for millenia.Could they have had lived in a more hospitable environment then?
thought five:they are adapted to live how they live, it's not nice to fool with mother nature.

Sorry i don't belive in soaking. It just gives them more of a chance to get tail rot if people are not drying them properly. I do bathe my guy once a month but not for hydration, that is what his greens and veggies are for and you shold mist the veggies at least once throughout the day to keep the water in them to keep your uro hydrated.

Those were just thoughts on why/why not a soil setup may be good. Since I have set up "nest boxes" I have noticed marked improvement and it hasn't been more than a few weeks,maybe less. "Everyone" using soil reports stunning results. I was really trying to spark thought and/or debate on WHY. I respect your opinion on problems like tail rot and other moisture problems. I want to hear that side as well.
It is the knowledge itself that reigns supreme.

Awesome! I agree with you as well on somethings. It's a good debate to get started!

I'll start it haha,

ok Leo, I respect your concerns for tail rot! Can you show me prof that in giving the uros a soil setup, which indeed also offers a bit of a humid environment, gives them tail rot? Proexotics has been doing this soil setup for close to four years....no reports of tail rot! Do they get tail rot in the wild from sleeping in burrows? what about hibernation during the winter months....they sleep in their burrows don't they?

Happy Herping,
-Paul

Agama International keeps morrocons OUTSIDE on guess what, SOIL,or EARTH as they say. Now I don't know about his operation but from the pics they look rugged and healthy to me. When he finally sells some I am pretty sure I want one!

Those are some RUGGED uros. I have to say I want one. Did you see the ARMS? Digging seems like a real good idea!

Hey,

I'm trying to upload pictures of my uro's burrows, but they are to big . Any one know how to crop my pictures without using photoshop...I know its sad, but I don't have that program . I need to get my picts up to back my philosopies!

Happy Herping,
-Paul

Try to transfer to PAINT. You know with the colors and stuff?Then save to my pictures.

Srry i think you mis understood me. I am not saying at all that soil setups are bad or give tail rot in anyway.

I said bathing can give them tail rot.

I think soil setups are fine just not for me. Too dusty and too much for me with 16 other herps to worry about. I also like to see what they are pooping out and papertowels is perfect for that.

Go to photobucket and resize for a website size hit browse find the pic and then upload. Copy and then paste. There ya go there is the pic. It can be a bit confusing.

Hey guys, ok picture # 1 is of a burrow that my baby orante carved out awile ago...these pictures are old however. I finally upgraded to using a trouph setup . Hope this works!

-Paul

...and one of my baby ornates...again old pictures,haha

Who says uro's don't use retes stacks? Haha, who says they won't bask at 140 basking temperatures? Here is a retes stack that I made awile back and the top of the stack is about 145 !

thats a fecal sample on top of that stack by the way in case if you haven't knoticed

Yes, I'm sure most did NOTICE the fecal material on the stack, that’s great. I think that a lot of people know that the retes stacks work just fine, it may just be that its not very feasible for there enclosures. I personally avoid any wood in my enclosures due to the fact that wood is very porous and can harbor bacteria if not constantly cleaned. On another note, many people actually do recommend temps that range from 130-145.

Agreed, and I'm one of those folks that recommends it!

Happy Herping,
-Paul

lOOKS Real nice! I am about 120 temps i am not about 145 i believe that that may directly be too hot for them, but it's just my opinion.