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Any help IDing this snake would be appreciated--I don't know where it originated from.

Thank you!

It's a juvenile Yellow Ratsnake. The snake will tend to loose the blotches(saddles) and take on the adult pattern of four longitudinal stripes. I can see them developing already from the photo.
Some individuals also retain the juvenile blotches as well as having the stripes.

Where did you get it?

best regards,...Doug

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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

I thought it was probably a yellow. I got it at a petstore labelled a texas rat snake (frequent mislabellings at this store but an *excellent* reptile department otherwise).

Now I'm wondering about another snake I have--it's supposed to be an everglades but is pretty close to the yellow. The yellow is obviously yellow though, and the everglades has a *maybe* hint of yellow. Here's a couple pics from tonight, not very good I'm afraid, no one home to help at the moment...

the yellow's the ball on the left:

the yellow's the lower head:

and here's a pic of the everglades when I first got it:

Thanks
Pauline

Yeah,...."Everglades",formerly(E.o.rossalleni) are more orange as adults than yellows.
Their a little hard to ID sometimes as juveniles. but that one does look to be an "Everglades", note the heavy orange coloration starting to form.

One "sure-fire" way to tell is....

* Yellow Rat has a black tongue
* Everglades has a red tongue

best regards, ~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

Good job on the ID's as always, Doug!

The Ev's are a little trickier, but that does indeed seem to be one. Here's a pic of mine when I first got them, and a more recent pic.

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Diego

Diego & Tiffany's Zoo:
SNAKES
1.4.0 Corn Snakes (Different morphs)
1.1.0 Hypo Everglades Rat Snakes
1.1.0 Baird's Rat Snakes
1.1.0 Trans-Pecos Rat Snakes
1.1.0 Trinket Rat Snake
1.0.0 Japanese Rat Snake
1.1.0 Salt and Pepper Bull Snakes
0.1.0 Amel Pacific Gopher Snake
2.1.0 Sonoran Gopher Snakes
0.1.0 Amel Sonoran Gopher Snakes
1.1.0 Mexican Black Kingsnake
1.0.0 Gray Banded Kingsnakes
1.0.0 Hypermelanistic California Kingsnake
0.1.0 Albino High White California Kingsnake
0.1.0 California Kingsnakes
1.1.0 Thayeri Kingsnake
1.1.0 Boa Constrictors
3.0.0 Rosy Boas (Harquahala, Mexican & Mid Baja)
0.1.0 Kenyan Sand Boas
0.1.0 Indonesian Dwarf Pacific Boa
1.1.0 Ball Pythons
1.1.0 Cape York Spotted Pythons
1.1.0 Western Hognoses
1.1.0 Red Sided Garter Snakes

LIZARDS
1.0.0 Frilled Dragon
3.1.0 Bearded Dragons (2 Normal, 1 RedXGold, 1 Citrus)
0.1.0 Eastern Collared Lizard
1.0.0 African Fat-Tail Gecko
0.1.0 Merauke Blue Tongue Skink
1.4.0 Leopard Geckos
1.0.1 Yellow Niger Uromastyx
1.1.0 Chuckwalla
0.1.0 Banded Gecko
0.0.1 Gold Dust Day Gecko

FROGS
2.2.0 Southern Bell Frogs
1.0.1 Green Tree Frogs
1.0.0 Bubbling Kassina
1.1.1 White's Tree Frogs
0.0.2 Gold Frogs

Thanks Diego!,

That's a true "classic" pair of Everglades you have there!,

no mistaking those!.......good luck breeding them in the future!

~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

Doug, I really appreciate all the help you've been giving! Both snakes' tongues are black. I don't think there's much doubt about the yellow being a yellow.

The 'everglades' tongue:

And here's another shot for colour comparison. The 'everglades' shed recently and got a lot more orangish when he did. He is likely an intergrade I suppose? Not that it matters, I'd just like to ID him as whatever is most likely correct. I'm hoping he'll turn out orange/red rather than yellow or yellow/orange and so far I think there's a good chance of that.

The only other info I have on the everglades is that the hypo everglades the store received at the same time was supposedly a clutchmate. Unfortunately she sold before I knew they got them in, she was gorgeous.

Diego, your snakes are beautiful! Are you breeding them this year?

Thanks!
Pauline

You're welcome Pauline!,.....the photo's sort of fuzzy to see really good, but it looks like there's some dark red in there around the fork.

But in any case, it's WAY too orange to be anything but an Everglades!.....that's really starting to come in strong!, and at a very young age.

Realistically, there is always the possibility of some amount of gene-flow from "yellow" lineage, especially since nobody knows where/who it originated from, but basically, that's an "Everglades" in anyones "book". You should gradually see it intensify in orange coloration as it ages, and also they often tend to have thinner, less distinct striping as well.

So enjoy watching these changes take place!

best regards, ~Doug

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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

Thanks Pauline.

I'll have to agree with Doug. That's an Everglades. Nice to see the orange coming in so soon! It's amazing to watch the color change. Enjoy it and take lots of pics along the way so you can have a timeline progression to look back at - you'll be glad you did!

Mine are only '06s, so I won't be breeding them until at least 08...
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Diego

Diego & Tiffany's Zoo:
SNAKES
1.4.0 Corn Snakes (Different morphs)
1.1.0 Hypo Everglades Rat Snakes
1.1.0 Baird's Rat Snakes
1.1.0 Trans-Pecos Rat Snakes
1.1.0 Trinket Rat Snake
1.0.0 Japanese Rat Snake
1.1.0 Salt and Pepper Bull Snakes
0.1.0 Amel Pacific Gopher Snake
2.1.0 Sonoran Gopher Snakes
0.1.0 Amel Sonoran Gopher Snakes
1.1.0 Mexican Black Kingsnake
1.0.0 Gray Banded Kingsnakes
1.0.0 Hypermelanistic California Kingsnake
0.1.0 Albino High White California Kingsnake
0.1.0 California Kingsnakes
1.1.0 Thayeri Kingsnake
1.1.0 Boa Constrictors
3.0.0 Rosy Boas (Harquahala, Mexican & Mid Baja)
0.1.0 Kenyan Sand Boas
0.1.0 Indonesian Dwarf Pacific Boa
1.1.0 Ball Pythons
1.1.0 Cape York Spotted Pythons
1.1.0 Western Hognoses
1.1.0 Red Sided Garter Snakes

LIZARDS
1.0.0 Frilled Dragon
3.1.0 Bearded Dragons (2 Normal, 1 RedXGold, 1 Citrus)
0.1.0 Eastern Collared Lizard
1.0.0 African Fat-Tail Gecko
0.1.0 Merauke Blue Tongue Skink
1.4.0 Leopard Geckos
1.0.1 Yellow Niger Uromastyx
1.1.0 Chuckwalla
0.1.0 Banded Gecko
0.0.1 Gold Dust Day Gecko

FROGS
2.2.0 Southern Bell Frogs
1.0.1 Green Tree Frogs
1.0.0 Bubbling Kassina
1.1.1 White's Tree Frogs
0.0.2 Gold Frogs