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I gave Eve her first dose of panacur tonight. I had waited a week so she'd be good and hungry. All the vet had was granular panacur, not the normal liquid kind that is normally tubed into the stomache. The plan was to kill a rat, put the dose of meds inside the rat and feed it to Eve. Sounds easy enough and all went well until actual feeding time. She wanted nothing to do with a fully dead rat. I didn't want to wiggle it too much and spill any of the meds. So, on to plan "B", I fed her a small still twitching rat, as usual, she slammed it hard. As it's rear haunches went down, I slipped in the head of the medicated rat and she swallowed it as well. Mission accomplished!!

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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
19.29 BRB
13.18 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Glad to hear, never used granular. What's it look like size wise?
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Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

also that's a good way to get snakes that don't like to eat F/T or more than one prey animal per feeding, I have had a few stubborn feeders over the years and have used the live, then followup with F/T as they are swallowing, handy little technique Dave don't ya think!
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Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

This one is for Bob to read and will say nothing pertinent, he made a comment about me answering my own posts, well Bob, I sometimes do not say everything at once and my english teacher always complained of my run on sentences
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Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

LOL, does kind of mess up where the replies show up. I do the same myself. Even more often to correct or clarify what I just wrote.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
19.29 BRB
13.18 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

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Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

I like those hahaha
Bob

a new toy and you disappear for days.

Been having fun with that punnet square program I gave you?
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
19.29 BRB
13.18 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

I downloaded and saved your attachment and stuff but I don't have Microsoft Excel and I think I need it to open it lol or I'm stupid (no comment anyone please) When I get it, ya'll better WATCHOUT!! Thanks again Dave
Bob

LOL, do you have Lotus 123? I originally wrote in Lotus 123 (IBM) and saved it as Excell for the rest of the world.

Those are the only two spreadsheet programs I am familiar with.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
19.29 BRB
13.18 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

but since the bad news this morning I think I have plenty of time to learn it on my own time haha I guess I will just have to stick with the di-hybrids for now but u still da man Dave.
Bob

Yeah, was sorry to hear that, I knew you had been too quiet the last couple of days. Wishing you the best!!
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
19.29 BRB
13.18 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Frank,
...Talking to yourself again? I do it all the time. We must be getting old.
Jeff

>>This one is for Bob to read and will say nothing pertinent, he made a comment about me answering my own posts, well Bob, I sometimes do not say everything at once and my english teacher always complained of my run on sentences
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>>Frank Roberts
>>Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research
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Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

It's the alternative that really sucks!!
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
19.29 BRB
13.18 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

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Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

Exactly, I've used the "chaser" method for just that over the years, getting more food into those problem feeders. Quite often starting with a snack size followed by the main course. Amber was definately one of those. Would not eat anything that was not tiny. From time to time I'd follow the snack with more food (typically larger) and she's now grown such that she eats pretty regularly now and decent size meals with no problems. I've had a few reluctant feeders over the years and IMO, once they eat enough to grow, they seem to grow out of the pickiness. It can be a catch 22, they need to eat to grow out of the not wanting to eat!

Definately one of those handy techniques every breeder should have in his/her bag-o-tricks!!
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
19.29 BRB
13.18 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

...
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Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

It's almost a powder, largest particles like fine grains of sugar.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
19.29 BRB
13.18 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Dave,
....The Flagyl I have is in the form of 250 mg tablets. If a snake is not eating and needs to be dosed I crush the pill and dissolve the powder in water and can then tube it to a snake that is not eating. The Panacur I have is in liquid form. The trick you used following a live or stunned meal with a dead one is a good one.
Jeff

>>It's almost a powder, largest particles like fine grains of sugar.
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>>Thanks,
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>>Dave Colling
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>>www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com
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>>0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
>>0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)
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>>LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
>>19.29 BRB
>>13.18 BCI
>>And those are only the breeders
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>>lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

The Vet started down that discussion but said it wasn't really that soluble. With Eve eating fine, I didn't think it would be a problem. Just have to make sure to give her small meals so she stays hungry the next two weeks.

It's meant to mix in with a dogs moist food for de-worming.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
19.29 BRB
13.18 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Have you ever tried liquid Safe Guard ( FENBENDAZOLE Suspension 10% (100 mg/ml). Its not a drench but a liquid suspension like Panacur but is available without a prescription, labeled for goats/horses/other live stock ? Also what is the mg/ml on the liquid Panacur? I was just wondering.
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Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

be added to the food.
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Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

Frank,
....Safe Guard 10% solution is the product I use. It actually is designed to be added to livestock feed. Adding it to feed items is how I most often have used it. I just measure out the correct amount in a large syringe and inject it into a fresh killed rat. It comes in 1 liter bottles. A liter would treat hundreds of snakes. I have used it so little and so sparingly that I have about 800ml left of an expired bottle. I will replace if I ever need it again. My theory the last several years is that most reptile health problems are owner induced and that if you get the husbandry right you never need meds or veterinary help. It would be different if I was getting snakes from lots of different sources. As it is my collection is pretty stable except for a few babies added each year.
Jeff

>>Have you ever tried liquid Safe Guard ( FENBENDAZOLE Suspension 10% (100 mg/ml). Its not a drench but a liquid suspension like Panacur but is available without a prescription, labeled for goats/horses/other live stock ? Also what is the mg/ml on the liquid Panacur? I was just wondering.
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>>Frank Roberts
>>Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research
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Jeff I have on occasion had to treat for worms over the years and used Panacur Paste (pain in the you know what). I haven't had a problem with worms in years either, but I was searching for a easier method (being liquid), I found same liquid with equal concentration in Panacur, you need a script for that, and the SafeGuard was the alternative I decided to use if I ever needed, but the need never arised but if it did I would have purchased the safeguard, just wanted to see if anyone else did the same homework I did!!! I would also use the prey animal w/ same method being injection then feed the snake.
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Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

Frank,
..I think many serious herp importers and dealers DO use the Safe Guard because it is available without prescription and is relatively cheap. Your research came up with the same result as mine and also a bunch of other people's.
Jeff

>>Jeff I have on occasion had to treat for worms over the years and used Panacur Paste (pain in the you know what). I haven't had a problem with worms in years either, but I was searching for a easier method (being liquid), I found same liquid with equal concentration in Panacur, you need a script for that, and the SafeGuard was the alternative I decided to use if I ever needed, but the need never arised but if it did I would have purchased the safeguard, just wanted to see if anyone else did the same homework I did!!! I would also use the prey animal w/ same method being injection then feed the snake.
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>>Frank Roberts
>>Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research
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That's good to hear, it's nice to know WE as a group do research like your supposed to.
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Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

The other drug that is commonly and effectively used in treating internal reptile parasites is Flagyl. The cheapest source for it, and also without a prescription is in the form of 250 mg tablets packaged as a product called Fish-Zole. This product is available realy cheap online from many aquarium supply and veterinary supply places.
Jeff

>>Frank,
>>..I think many serious herp importers and dealers DO use the Safe Guard because it is available without prescription and is relatively cheap. Your research came up with the same result as mine and also a bunch of other people's.
>>Jeff
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>>>>Jeff I have on occasion had to treat for worms over the years and used Panacur Paste (pain in the you know what). I haven't had a problem with worms in years either, but I was searching for a easier method (being liquid), I found same liquid with equal concentration in Panacur, you need a script for that, and the SafeGuard was the alternative I decided to use if I ever needed, but the need never arised but if it did I would have purchased the safeguard, just wanted to see if anyone else did the same homework I did!!! I would also use the prey animal w/ same method being injection then feed the snake.
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>>>>Frank Roberts
>>>>Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research
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Thanks Jeff, now that I didn't know, well now I do, and it never ceases to amaze me how much I learn everyday, old dogs can learn new tricks lol.
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Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

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Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research