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Crested Gecko Genetics?

BSleeper Apr 05, 2007 11:29 PM

I need as much info on crestie geetics as possible. I want to get some soon (as anyone who comes to this forum often most likely knows) and i like a few of the morphs like the harleys alot and the flames and pinstripes and reds lol and everything ellse but i have no idea how their genetics work. I know a good amount about ball python genetics so im hoping that will make it easier to learn about crestie genetics. Are they simular? Thanks for any information.
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B Sleeper

1.0 Chocolate Lab
0.1 ?? Normal Ball python (yet different)
1.0 04 Het Albino
1.1 06 Het Albino
1.1 06 Het Pied
1.0 06 Pastel
0.? 07 Pos Het Albino (Momma has not laid the eggs yet)

Replies (5)

gangstaofluv1 Apr 08, 2007 09:45 AM

there really isnt much known on crested gecko genetics, sometimes you get odd balls in your pairings, but if you breed, say, two harleys together, you will probably get two harleys, lol but as far as dominant and resessive and codominant and the such, i havent found anything on it really. all the stuff i do find on it says they are pretty hard to determine what the babies will be by the parents

BSleeper Apr 09, 2007 02:51 AM

So kind of like people then? Say a black person and white person (or a harley and pinstripe) have a kid it will be one or the other or in between somewhere?
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B Sleeper

1.0 Chocolate Lab
0.1 ?? Normal Ball python (yet different)
1.0 04 Het Albino
1.1 06 Het Albino
1.1 06 Het Pied
1.0 06 Pastel
0.? 07 Pos Het Albino (Momma has not laid the eggs yet)

LAC_Herps Apr 09, 2007 12:19 PM

I would agree with the previous statement, that not much is known about crested genetics...
I'll throw out a few scenarios, with photos of offspring.

First, let's do a Harlequin X Harlequin ( some might say flame) pairing.
Male: ( produced by Anthony Caponetto)

Female: ( produced by Dave Armador)

In my experience, nice flames/harlequins bred to nice flames/harlequins produce almost entirely flames/harlequins. You may end up with 25% or so of the offspring with less pattern than either adult, 50% with similar pattern to the adults, and 25% ( or less) that are above and beyond what either parent looks like. Out of our different flames/harley groups, we have had no memorable patternless/tiger/dalmatian geckos.
Here's a juvie from the above pairing:

Next scenario, Pinstripe X Pinstripe
Parents ( male right, female left, both produced by Allen Repashy)

clutchmates:

I'd say the one with minimal patterning is definitely an abnormal outcome ( atleast for both parents having so much pinstripe). I'd say most of our pinstripes from 99% pinstripe male, and 99% female, will be 75-100% pinstripes, with very few below the 75% mark. If you do say a 100% pinstripe male, to a 75% pinstripe female, or vice versa, you'll get only a couple full pinstripes in a year, mostly 75% pinstripes, and a few below the 75% pinstripe mark.

Scenario three:
Male 100% pinstripe ( purchased from Randy May, produced by Allen Repashy):

Female, yellow/orange with a few dalmatian spots ( unknown origin):

Offspring from Pinstripe X non-pinstripe pairings In my opinion produce about 50% offspring with 25-75% pinstripe, 25% with very minimal to no pinstripe, and 25% with 75% pinstripe or more.
Here are two offspring from the above pairing to give you an idea. Here's one with a typical amount of pinstripe so far from this pairing ( straight out of the egg):

and here's one named 'sideburns', as it has really long lateral stripe scales:

so far the color is ranging from a base slate or yellow, similar to either parent, but none have reached adult hood yet.
Scenario Four:
Male ( red/yellow flame, unknown origin):

Female ( Dark/cream flame, unknown origin):

I would say out of this pairing, we've had about 50% mostly patternless geckos, and 50% flames. Of the patternless, all have been red, and of the flames, all have been red and creamy/white, except one which took the mothers coloration.
Here's to show you two of the mostly patternless cresteds, one in it's plain phase, and one in it's colored up phase (clutchmates):

and here's one of the red/cream flames:

Scenario Five:
Male ( dark/cream harlequin, unknown origin)

Female ( extremely light, patternless, unknown origin)

From this pairing, I'd say we got 50% mostly patternless geckos ( minimal tiger pattern), and 50% flames, with varying degree of pattern ( only 1 or 2 I would consider harlequin):

and a few like this:

( adult coloration unknown on most of these, as they are hatchlings-juvenile in size, but one could make a good educated guess from the parents )
Hopefully this helps in educating you further on what you can/can't expect from any given pair. It's something that makes Cresteds extremely interesting to work with, because you never really know what you're going to get, but I think it's also a turn off for others. Obviously there are hundreds of possibilities for what pairings you choose to put together. Currently I feel it's important to try to create something as interesting as possible, with a specific outcome in mind, as opposed to something that may be quite predictable, and somewhat normal. ( All of this is my experience. All percentages are generalizations, and should not be used as fact).
Andrew Gilpin
L.A.C. Herps
Living Art Creations Herpetoculture

BSleeper Apr 09, 2007 10:29 PM

Very informative thank you. Do you have a website? If you do that would be great information to add to it just the way you put it here. I am also asking because you have some nice animals posted in those pics. Thanks again.
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B Sleeper

1.0 Chocolate Lab
0.1 ?? Normal Ball python (yet different)
1.0 04 Het Albino
1.1 06 Het Albino
1.1 06 Het Pied
1.0 06 Pastel
0.? 07 Pos Het Albino (Momma has not laid the eggs yet)

LAC_HERPS Apr 11, 2007 05:10 PM

no website up currently, although the domain name www.lacherps.com has been purchased, it's still in the works.
Thanks for the comments.
Andrew Gilpin

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