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Cornsakes trade up to Pits

PitOffice Apr 08, 2007 01:02 PM

Fellers,

Frank Burbrink and Robin Lawson have put out a new paper proposing new world rats be placed in pituophis.

I knew there was a reason I couldn't let go of my okeetees...

Cheers,
Bryan

From the article, HOW AND WHEN DID OLD WORLD RAT SNAKES DISPERSE INTO THE NEW WORLD? Frank T. Burbrink and Robin Lawson
2007. Molecular Phylogenetics and Evolution 43: 173-189

"...In the NW, the recently elevated Pantherophis (for some
of the former NW Elaphe, see Utiger et al., 2002) is paraphyletic with respect to Pituophis. Since Pituophis (Holbrook, 1842) predates Pantherophis (Fitzinger, 1843),
we suggest that all species in the clade formed by the MRCA
of Pantherophis guttatus to Pituophis melanoleucus (node
C2, Fig. 4) be designated as Pituophis."

Read the article at CNAH

Replies (7)

shannon brown Apr 08, 2007 01:27 PM

I just read that.Very interesting and the lumpers will be happy.
Here is some more info,

NEWS RELEASE
The Center for North American Herpetology
Lawrence, Kansas
http://www.cnah.org
8 April 2007

HOW AND WHEN DID OLD WORLD RAT SNAKES DISPERSE INTO THE NEW WORLD?

Frank T. Burbrink and Robin Lawson
2007. Molecular Phylogenetics and Evolution 43: 173-189

Abstract: To examine Holarctic snake dispersal, we inferred a phylogenetic tree
from four mtDNA genes and one scnDNA gene for most species of the Old World
(OW) and New World (NW) colubrid group known as rat snakes. Ancestral area
distributions are estimated for various clades using divergence–vicariance
analysis and maximum likelihood on trees produced using Bayesian inference.
Dates of divergence for the same clades are estimated using penalized likelihood
with statistically crosschecked calibration references obtained from the Miocene
fossil record. With ancestral areas and associated dates estimated, various
hypotheses concerning the age and environment associated with the origin of rat
snakes and the dispersal of NW taxa from OW ancestors were tested. Results
suggest that the rat snakes originated in tropical Asia in the late Eocene and
subsequently dispersed to the Western and Eastern Palearctic by the early
Oligocene. These analyses also suggest that the monophyletic NW rat snakes
(the Lampropeltini) diverged from OW rat snakes and dispersed through Beringia
in the late Oligocene/early Miocene when this land bridge was mostly composed
of deciduous and coniferous forests.

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Available as a download from the CNAH PDF Library at

http://www.cnah.org/cnah_pdf.asp

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CNAH Note: The title will mislead you. The most significant information in this
very thorough and significant paper is the proposal that the genus Pantherophis
(New World Rat Snakes formerly placed in the genus Elaphe) should be placed in
the synonymy of the genus Pituophis (Bullsnakes, Gopher Snakes, and Pine
Snakes). This change is formally suggested in the last sentence of the last
paragraph of the paper.

The resulting scientific taxonomy (and correct spelling of the specific names)
for the nine North American colubrid species affected would be:

Eastern Rat Snake (Pituophis alleghaniensis)
Baird's Rat Snake (Pituophis bairdi)
Great Plains Rat Snake (Pituophis emoryi)
Eastern Fox Snake (Pituophis gloydi)
Eastern Corn Snake (Pituophis guttatus)
Western Rat Snake (Pituophis obsoletus)
Slowinski's Corn Snake (Pituophis slowinskii)
Midland Rat Snake (Pituophis spiloides)
Western Fox Snake (Pituophis vulpinus)

Standard common names would remain the same; the importance of using such
standardized common names looms large in the face of such a significant and
far-reaching change as proposed by Burbrink and Lawson.

KJUN Apr 08, 2007 02:54 PM

I laugh my butt off over it. People don't listen. People that switched to Pantherophis already before further research could be conducted deserve to confusion that will be developed. This is why we have the scientific method and there is a temporal delay between publication and acceptance in the SCIENTIFIC community.

One, Burbrink hasn't gotten anything correct in the history of his life. Two, those in the hobby that accept an HYPOTHESIS too quickly (before further confirmation and a temporal delay for TIME to pass so people CAN develop the necessary data) deserve the confusion.
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KJUN Snakehaven

shannon brown Apr 08, 2007 06:12 PM

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FRoberts Apr 09, 2007 12:51 PM

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Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

PitOffice Apr 09, 2007 11:38 PM

Operative word in above post is "PROPOSED"

MurphysLaw Apr 10, 2007 08:23 PM

np.
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If lead paint is so deadly why do they make it so delicious?

KJUN Apr 12, 2007 05:30 AM

Science is supposed to always try to move forward even though all hypotheses can not turn out to be correct. Hobbyists are the ones that should stop something. They should stop misunderstanding what these papers mean, stop thinking keeping a couple of pets is the same as scientific study, and stop being so biased as to accept papers that they like and reject ones they don't like based on things other than scientific merit.

I still won't defend Burbrink himself about anything.....lol.
KJ
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KJUN Snakehaven

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