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Opinions....

CrimsonKing Apr 08, 2007 06:39 PM

....on the proposed changes that would make the current genus Pantherophis obsolete and put those N.A. ratsnakes in the genus Pituophis:

Frank T. Burbrink and Robin Lawson
2007. Molecular Phylogenetics and Evolution 43: 173-189
Just what I need! More changes....
:Mark
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Replies (2)

reako45 Apr 08, 2007 08:45 PM

I'm no taxonomist or professional herpetologist or anything like that, but to my naked minimally experienced eye alot of the North American Ratsnakes and Gophers look ALOT alike to me. I've always thought of Gophers as the Rat snakes of the west. I have a friend w/ a cornsnake and I'm amazed how similar the snake is to my Gophers.

reako45

RyanT Apr 08, 2007 10:26 PM

that rat snakes are rat snakes, and pits are pits. They're about as similar as both groups also are to kingsnakes. So what? It just doesn't make any sense to combine them. If it ain't broke, why fix it? I know I prefer pits over ANY other colubrid. If you throw rats snakes into Pituophis, it's not gonna make me think of them any differently. A skinny little rat snake has nothing on a Pit. I can maybe see the connection between the smaller gopher species and Elaphe. But bulls and pines are NOT rat snakes.

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