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How do you guys like those little beauties ?
Mam is a Nice orange Hogg-Island and Dad is an Albino.
If the result of them is breed to an DH sunglow
would this be the other way to get sunsets ?

Greetings from Munich / Germany

SIEGI

home of the squaretails...

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www.albinoboas.com

Well, I'm not a fan of mixing Hogs. I'd much rather see them pure. But, I'm anxious to see what albino hoggs would look like!

I've thought about what an albino hog would look like as well. Even considered making it a project once, but couldn't justify muddying up the bloodline of an animal that doesn't exist in the wild anymore.

Keep us updated, I'd definately like to take a looksie.
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1.1 96, 04 Het Albino - "Suzie" & "Lumpy"
0.1 03 Poss. Het Albino - "Ami"
0.1 05 Super Salmon - "CreamSicle"
0.1 04 Anery Het Snow- "Squelchy"
1.0 04 DH-Sunglow - "Dwayne"
1.0 06 TH-Moonglow - "Gargamel"
1.2 01 BRBs- "Gobball", "Larva" & "Tofu"

Hogg Island boas do in fact still occur in the wild. I have been in communication with a researcher currently sampling the original Island these were collected on, and those surrounding it in an effort to document the populations of Boa constrictors. I am involved in this to the extent that I am developing molecular markers that will be used to identify the significant population units.

I am not saying I am for or against crossing different locals of imperators, just letting you know that they do still occur in the wild.
Regards,
Warren
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Dr Warren Booth
North Carolina State University
Department of Entomology
3309 Gardner Hall
Raleigh, NC 27695-7613

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1.1 96, 04 Het Albino - "Suzie" & "Lumpy"
0.1 03 Poss. Het Albino - "Ami"
0.1 05 Super Salmon - "CreamSicle"
0.1 04 Anery Het Snow- "Squelchy"
1.0 04 DH-Sunglow - "Dwayne"
1.0 06 TH-Moonglow - "Gargamel"
1.2 01 BRBs- "Gobball", "Larva" & "Tofu"

Is at one point studies where done on the Cayos Cochinos Islands, and at one point none could be found right??? And then all of a sudden now there are some??? Could it be possible that Mainland Honduran BCI where introduced??? I would love to see what these new found populations look like...Compaired to the ones that where originally brought to the US...

Please keep us posted...I would love to hear more about these Wild Populations of Cayos Cochinos Island Boas...
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Executive Reptiles
Amanda Kingsbury & David Kendrick
www.executivereptiles.com

http://www.cayoscochinos.org/index.php?page=photos&lang=eng&photoPage=1

there are three pages of photo's on that link, and several hogs pictured throughout.

Sure look like Hogs to me.... Guess they weren't as extinct in the wild as people thought. Good to see that there are some left out there and it isn't dependent on people to keep them alive in thier collections, because the chances of thos in collections being released to repopulate is slim to none.

hi,
these boas will never produce sunsets.
in first sunsets are only a brand name of damians specific line. yours are not from this line so the question could only be if you are able to produce "hypo hogs" with them.
and even this question i need to regret (in my opinion). (compared to the sunset line: i think you are aiming for the sunset and not only sunset cross....) now you do not even have hogs to cross them directly with another hypo. the aim should be double super hypos and i think it would not worth it to work with your boas on a project in this direction. breed them with your dh sunglow and produce a nice coloured sunglow.
kind regards from germany
peer

seems there are some more germans out there.
Where are you from ?
Thanks for the reply I was not realy informed about the sunset thing. I this little fellas will produce some nice albinos and maybe if they be crossed to a dh a nice kind of sunglow
or sunset cross.Time will tell.

Greetings from Munich / Germany ...

SIEGI
albinoboas.com

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www.albinoboas.com

So in this thinking, if someone else was to produce a "hypo hog", they wouldnt be able to call it a sunset or a sunset cross because the name was penned already for someone elses "sunset crosses"? Seems petty to me if it is what it is... I mean, someone produced a moonglow first, does that mean nobody else can make a moonglow? Or a Sunglow... only one line can be called sunglow? I'm just asking, cause I have never heard it put that way... so basically, only snakes from THAT line can be called a Sunset.... then I guess tehre are ALOT of people at shows selling snakes under a false name as I doubt he was able to produce enough sunsets or sunset crosses to fill as many shows and classifieds as they are being sold at. Interested in hearing opinions.... thanks

in my opinion there is a difference between a average sunglow and a sunset.
i understand it that way, that a lipstick sunglow for example is only a sunglow from the lipstick line. so you can call every sunglow a sunglow but not every sunglow a lipstick sunglow.
a sunset is only a hypo hog from the sunset line. when you compare the pictures of sunsets and other hypo hogs there are obvious differences in the line.
if you have other information, please let me know.

I wasn't talking about sunsets and sunglows being the same... I was asking about the Sunsets and sunset crosses that can be seen at pretty much every show. Are they merely called "hypo Hogs" or is every person that produces one allowed to name it somehting different? If I am correct, a "sunset cross" is a cross between a Hypo and a Hog.... Maybe I am way off base in saying this,but can't anyone that produces something that has been produced, but because they produced it on thier own, call it something different because they produced it from thier own stock and not working with someone elses stock? Because from what I read here a few posts back, "sunsets" are only from this one persons stock, and was produced by this one person. Speaking in the terms of Ball pythons... There are Pastel balls, and they all have the same genetic make-up, and can be interbred to produce more pastels, no matter the line they are from...... But they are ALL pastels... one line didn't get to "coin" the phrase pastel, and block others from using it.. I could understand this if you bred a Sunset to someone elses Hypo-hog, and you didnt get anyhting out of it but normals, but I am about 100% sure that if you breed a sunset with a hypo hog, you will get more of the same... I think the "naming thing" is all about big heads, and money... thats my personal opinion, but probably true.

did i say anything else???
sorry, englisch is not my mother tounge and my formulation in the last posting was a bit confusing.

i think we are talking about nearly the same. i did not understand that you think sunglow and sunset are the same.

my example was like your pastel one.
there are sunglows and hypo hogs.
the lipstick sunglow is a special "line" of sunglows and the sunsets are a "line" of hypo hogs.

the founders of these lines give them the name. of course the names are also to add a value but "lines" are visual and you can see the difference.

for example you can not sell a klingenberg hog island as a lemke hog.
the name of the founder is a added value to get a higher profit and make him more common - you are right here, but the two lines are different from each other and the two founder invested a lot of time and work to develop the traits which makes "their line". so it is just normal and well-deserved that these animals achieve higher prices like an average hog island even if all are "just" hog islands.

every sunsets is a hypo hogs, but not every hypo hog is a sunset!! which makes the sunsets rare.
no reputable breeder would sell his hypo hog offspring as sunset if they have no dependence to the original sunsets of damian.

a more common example are the salmon boas. every salmon is a hypo but not every hypo is a salmon..... there a thousand more of these examples

i hope you understand my expressions now better.

I know exactly what your saying, but I was merely saying that if it is a fact that sunset boas are a specific LINE of hypo hogs, then the original producer of it really needs to start defending his "creation" because you cant walk into a show without seeing someone selling sunsets or sunset crosses. I would be hard pressed to believe that all of these snakes originated with this one guy. I personally don't know of the origins of the sunset, or who produced it first. I think it comes down to who produced it first, and the right to name the morph... kind of like sunglows, or salmons, or hypos.... a hypo is a hypo, is a hypo to me... Some of the so called "no name" hypos are much better than some of the oens that have the expensive label on them. kind of like comparing Levis and Wrangler Jeans really... they both cover your butt, but one costs more.

ok, i see what you mean.

sadly i do not know anything about the availability of sunsets on your shows over the pond. i whish i would have the possibility to come over there and convince myself during a small shopping trip