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I still have not figured out how this works just yet. Anyone figure it out yet?
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Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

LOL, we passed kings mid day yesterday, you can see we're now midway between kings and Chams, and gaining on Chams!! And it's not even baby season!!

Jeff had a thought itr might have to do with hits, people clicking on the forum. If so, going out to check status might help or getting new peeps to come take a look.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
20.28 BRB
13.18 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

we should shoot for #1, we are doing something, I noticed we seem to be posting and responding alot more than usual, but this doesnt seem to make numbers go up, so maybe jeff is right, better we make it to number 1 without knowing, so we don't indirectly influence numbers purposely.
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Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

Could be a snowball affect, as we climb, we attract attention and peeps come to see what's up thereby making us climb even more? Whatever, still love this forum!! My favorite place to goof off when work is slow!!!
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
20.28 BRB
13.18 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

This is my favorite forum, I do post and look at a lot of other forums, but look and post here the most. This is by far the friendliest place on kingsnake in my opinion. The people here are more people orientated and lot more useful than just the look at my baby pic's, ohhh ahhh ohhh ahhhh, I love the pic's, but intelligent conversation has to count for something.
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Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

cuz you post here lol
Bob

wipes tear from eye.

Thanks Bob!!!
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Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

I believe the number is the total number posts that are active -ie. not archived. The number is probably updated by a batch program - not real time.

Anyway - this is a great forum, and I know I will get great answers and advice from the people here.

Well the reason I was wondering because we are in the "most popular" the other top ten is specifically stated to be by # of posts. Thanks for aswering though, it may be by active posts, I have no idea.
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Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

Yeah, I think you are right on this one. A couple other forums on the top 10 list are other places I post, and I have seen the numbers on that list get significantly lowered from time to time. I do think it is just how many are active.
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I said np
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
20.28 BRB
13.18 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

...old Beavis and Butthead outburst....lol
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Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

be Beavis........
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
20.28 BRB
13.18 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

no fair, being Butthead suks, lol, plus every knows beavis rules!!!!
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Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

lol
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Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

>>I still have not figured out how this works just yet. Anyone figure it out yet?

The numbers for both lists tend to be updated once every hour.

Top 10 Forums by Posts: This ranking is based on overall cumulative posts going all the way back to when the new forum system went into effect.. Feb. 2003.

That is a hard number to beat in the long run. The early runners of the most active forums during that first year gave certain forums a head start that is hard to beat. Late bloomer or brand new forums could not compete fairly against those numbers. So, to help offset that handicap and make the playing level more fair, a 2nd list was created....

Top 10 Popular Forums.

This list is based on the daily activity of the forums right now (or close to it). This list can change suddenly as during certain seasons some forum topics are very active and then die down activity wise at other times...breeding/hatching season seems to be pretty busy compared to brumation season for example. You can also have some forum topics become very popular as say a new pet trend kicks in due to a magazine article or something.

For this 2nd ranking system, the number of posts on the forums fluctuate as you have daily posts being made adding to the number and then twice a week you have the archiving program kicking in and removing posts.. if I remember rightly that tends to happen on Monday and Thursday late at night.

As to what gets archived... each forum has a pre-set number of pages it will always show (usually 3 or 5 pages). Each page can hold 50 threads and an unlimited number of response posts to those threads. The number of threads that are archived depends on how many pages beyond the set number is actually exceeded. If a forum is set for 5 pages (250 threads) and say there was enough activity that week to generate 8 pages (400 threads), then the older 150 threads making up pages 6, 7 & 8 would be archived the next time the program runs, cutting the forum back down to its allotted 5 pages. How many actual posts are archived within those 150 threads would depend on how many responses to those threads were made. Some threads get only a few responses while others can have 30 or more responses. So it's not uncommon for a forum to drop several places down on the ranking list in the space of one night if that forum lost several threads that also had a high number of responses.

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PHWyvern

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Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

Okay, So how about we get some respect here on kingsnake.com and get this forum listed on the page of forums. We still often see people post questions about Rainbow Boas over on the Boa forum because they do not know there is a Rainbow Boa Forum. It is time for Kingsnake.com to correct this wrong.
Jeff

>>>>I still have not figured out how this works just yet. Anyone figure it out yet?
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>>The numbers for both lists tend to be updated once every hour.
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>>Top 10 Forums by Posts: This ranking is based on overall cumulative posts going all the way back to when the new forum system went into effect.. Feb. 2003.
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>>That is a hard number to beat in the long run. The early runners of the most active forums during that first year gave certain forums a head start that is hard to beat. Late bloomer or brand new forums could not compete fairly against those numbers. So, to help offset that handicap and make the playing level more fair, a 2nd list was created....
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>>Top 10 Popular Forums.
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>>This list is based on the daily activity of the forums right now (or close to it). This list can change suddenly as during certain seasons some forum topics are very active and then die down activity wise at other times...breeding/hatching season seems to be pretty busy compared to brumation season for example. You can also have some forum topics become very popular as say a new pet trend kicks in due to a magazine article or something.
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>>For this 2nd ranking system, the number of posts on the forums fluctuate as you have daily posts being made adding to the number and then twice a week you have the archiving program kicking in and removing posts.. if I remember rightly that tends to happen on Monday and Thursday late at night.
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>>As to what gets archived... each forum has a pre-set number of pages it will always show (usually 3 or 5 pages). Each page can hold 50 threads and an unlimited number of response posts to those threads. The number of threads that are archived depends on how many pages beyond the set number is actually exceeded. If a forum is set for 5 pages (250 threads) and say there was enough activity that week to generate 8 pages (400 threads), then the older 150 threads making up pages 6, 7 & 8 would be archived the next time the program runs, cutting the forum back down to its allotted 5 pages. How many actual posts are archived within those 150 threads would depend on how many responses to those threads were made. Some threads get only a few responses while others can have 30 or more responses. So it's not uncommon for a forum to drop several places down on the ranking list in the space of one night if that forum lost several threads that also had a high number of responses.
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>>PHWyvern

Well said Jeff...

We're #2... that should make us elligible for our "own" species thread...

Who's with us?!
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-Iman

1.1 BRBs (Ying and Yang)
1.1 JCPs (Striker and Sheila)
0.0.2 BPs (Spot and Speck)
5.5 Fish (Insert your favorite names here)
1.0 Miniature Daschund (Rue)

Loving to Learn
Learning to Help
Helping to Love

Stimulate debates, stifle arguments.
Please be nice always.

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Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

>>Okay, So how about we get some respect here on kingsnake.com and get this forum listed on the page of forums. We still often see people post questions about Rainbow Boas over on the Boa forum because they do not know there is a Rainbow Boa Forum. It is time for Kingsnake.com to correct this wrong.
>>Jeff
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With real-estate space maxed out on the main page, the creation of subforums came into being so that certain topics could be consolidated to free up some space. This has nothing to do with how popular a forum is or isn't. Boas had many off-shoot forums so those off-shoots were placed under the main boa forum as subforums. A few boa forums (Rosy, Rubber & Sand and Tree Boas) were not put under the main boa forum only because they themselves are main forums that have their own subforums.
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PHWyvern

Can we have our number of current pages increased? We are dropping off threads less than 1.5 months old!
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
20.28 BRB
13.18 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

>> We are dropping off threads less than 1.5 months old!
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Which is a good thing. The activity level of this forum is such that you have to be limited to 3 pages otherwise it would throw off the fairness factor with other forums that have a lot of threads but not a great a number of responses to those threads. It would be like stacking the deck in your favor over all the other forums. Additionally, the more active a forum is the more posts and threads are generated. The more posts and threads sitting there on the Active Pages, the more bogged down the servers get when people access the forums. The slower the forums moved, the more upset people become. Limits have to be set. Speed posting forums get 3 pages. Medium to slow forums get 4 or 5 or 6 pages. Forums are re-evaluated on a regular basis to decide if the number of active pages needs to be altered or not.

Actually you should know that 1.5 months worth of posts on 3 pages is about average for active forums, but some forums far outstrip even that. For example, ball pythons or boas can typically go through 4 pages covering a 14-day period. The main boa forum has 4 pages going back to April 1st and BPs has 4 pages going back to March 30. Sometimes I've seen bp's generate 7 pages in less than a week.

Most new comers are not going to sit and read 1.5 months worth of posts. They are gonna skim a few topics on page 1 and not even bother going to page 2 or 3 or what have ya.
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PHWyvern

Ok, as I look over the other "popular" forums, I see some with the same limitations as this one (3 pages) and similar posting levels. BUT, I also see some "stacked decks" (your words ) in there as well. Examples listed are typically not including the last Page as that would roll off at next archival:

Box Turtles 4 pages going back to Dec 2006
Chameleons 6 pages going back to Oct 2006
Mexicana milksnakes going 4 pages back to Jan 2007
Venemous 4 pages going back to Jan 2007

and IMO the "unfairest" example of all:
BP business trends, only three pages but goes all the way back to Nov 2005. Yes, the "5th most popular" forum is comparing almost 2 1/2 years worth of threads to other forums 1 1/2 months worth.

Maybe the page thing is not the fairest example of the "most popular" forum. A better definition, IMO, would be number of posts over a given recent amount of time. For example a rolling 7 days. To me that would be a truer example of where people were hanging out and posting.

I know, not really important and who really cares. I would just prefer to see a true representation of what really is a popular forum.

>>Which is a good thing. The activity level of this forum is such that you have to be limited to 3 pages otherwise it would throw off the fairness factor with other forums that have a lot of threads but not a great a number of responses to those threads. It would be like stacking the deck in your favor over all the other forums. Additionally, the more active a forum is the more posts and threads are generated. The more posts and threads sitting there on the Active Pages, the more bogged down the servers get when people access the forums. The slower the forums moved, the more upset people become. Limits have to be set. Speed posting forums get 3 pages. Medium to slow forums get 4 or 5 or 6 pages. Forums are re-evaluated on a regular basis to decide if the number of active pages needs to be altered or not.
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>>Actually you should know that 1.5 months worth of posts on 3 pages is about average for active forums, but some forums far outstrip even that. For example, ball pythons or boas can typically go through 4 pages covering a 14-day period. The main boa forum has 4 pages going back to April 1st and BPs has 4 pages going back to March 30. Sometimes I've seen bp's generate 7 pages in less than a week.
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>>Most new comers are not going to sit and read 1.5 months worth of posts. They are gonna skim a few topics on page 1 and not even bother going to page 2 or 3 or what have ya.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
20.28 BRB
13.18 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

bp's s-ck in general, they should only have one forum for them things, 2 1/2 years that sounds like they went broke already lol Dave. Rainbows will not peak in popularity for many years to come
Bob

all snakes are beautiful, your hatred of ball pythons is to be honest, quite disconcerting and Racist in nature, please keep your comments to a minimum on this subject, my Ball pythons know they are not as beautiful as Brazilian Rainbow Boas, there are enough feelings of inadequacy in the world, for example did you see that poster with a limited mental capacity on the boa forum who seems not to read entire posts, we shouldn't make fun of people with a limited capacity, even if we believe the cheese fell off their cracker a long time ago.
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Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

Bob,
...I got my first BP over 40 years ago. Through the years I have owned several dozen BPs. I have not owned one in over a decade but I still love to pick one up and handle it. There is something about their docile nature and how their squat little bodies feel wrapped around your hands that is comforting. If I had unlimited cage space and time there would be BPs in my collection. The ONLY thing wrong with BPs is that the morph idiots went crazy with them and built an enormous house of cards with rediculously inflated prices which of course has finally started falling down.
BPs are great PEOPLE SUCK!!!
Jeff

>>bp's s-ck in general, they should only have one forum for them things, 2 1/2 years that sounds like they went broke already lol Dave. Rainbows will not peak in popularity for many years to come
>>Bob

so to make things up to ya'll I believe I will have to go out and get my picture taken with one and the navy does rule. My father was in the NAVY positioned off the western coast in the 70's and I have pictures so maybe on an O/T day I'll post them for ya'll. I don't think I dislike them as much look wise Jeff but since this is a beginner snake and most people that aren't attracted to the smaller colubrids choose to get these, I can't tell you how many of them I have seen neglected over the years after their owners abandon them (same with RTB's to a degree) so I think I feel sorry for them in a way and they are just being reproduced in such high numbers and the number of good homes just will keep up with their numbers so I feel really bad for them and every other animal whose keeper's standards whose are not up to par. Sorry for the hate and I will leave it to the boa forum
Bob

Bob,
...I also think that BPs are considered beginner snakes and that many of them get mistreated. No problem with any of us having different opinions about things. It is all good.
Jeff

>>so to make things up to ya'll I believe I will have to go out and get my picture taken with one and the navy does rule. My father was in the NAVY positioned off the western coast in the 70's and I have pictures so maybe on an O/T day I'll post them for ya'll. I don't think I dislike them as much look wise Jeff but since this is a beginner snake and most people that aren't attracted to the smaller colubrids choose to get these, I can't tell you how many of them I have seen neglected over the years after their owners abandon them (same with RTB's to a degree) so I think I feel sorry for them in a way and they are just being reproduced in such high numbers and the number of good homes just will keep up with their numbers so I feel really bad for them and every other animal whose keeper's standards whose are not up to par. Sorry for the hate and I will leave it to the boa forum
>>Bob

of the Navy, The Boa forum is the Navy, But we are the few, the proud, THE RAINBOW FORUM!!!!!!! we rule and we know it!!!!!!!
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Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

archving is not done by date. It's done by page number.

If a forum has 3 or 4 pages of posts that date back a few years then that tells you right there just how SLOW that forum is in generating threads or responses to those threads. Just because a forum is slow does not always mean it's not a popular forum at all.

HerpNews forum is a pretty popular forum - lots of people read it, but there is not much need for people to respond to the news articles posted there so it will never make the top 10 list.

And just because a forum has 4 or 5 pages right now does not mean that is what it is set for. Those extra pages could have been generated by current activity that later in the week when the archiving program kicks in, will cut out some of the older posts bringing the forums back down to the set page limit.

>>and IMO the "unfairest" example of all:
>>BP business trends, only three pages but goes all the way back to Nov 2005. Yes, the "5th most popular" forum is comparing almost 2 1/2 years worth of threads to other forums 1 1/2 months worth.
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That particular forum has taken that long to generate enough threads to make it to 3 pages. That forum is only limited to 3 pages. So each week the archive program runs and maybe only one or two threads get knocked off assuming someone has started a new thread or two during that week. The reason that forum is even in the popular list is that if you look, the topics discussed there are highly volatile.. in other words, those topics generate a LOT of responses out of people. Remember, each page holds 50 threads, but unlimited responses. It's easy for a forum to have 3 pages of threads with only 150 posts total.. it would mean no one responded to any of those threads. It's also possible for another forum with only 3 pages of threads having over 1,500 total posts on it because it would mean that most threads generated a heavy response out of the other members of the forum. There will come a time when the BP business trend forum will get knocked off the popular list.. and that will be when some of the bigger threads finally make their way to page 4 and then archived off...but since that forum is a slow one, it will take a while for that to happen.
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PHWyvern

I come to this particlar forum daily and I have almost never went to page 2 on any forum unless I was doing a search for a particular subject matter, even when I am visiting a forum for the first time I do not breeze past the first page.
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Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research