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Couldn't get any other pics but I did get this one.Hypo het amel male breeding to my anery het hypo poss het amel.Could be a x-mas clutch here.

Shannon

Nice pair and thanks for sharing the pic Shannon! Good luck with that pair!
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Does an open mind let more in?

So Shannon, any amel looking would be 50% chance of being hybino? Whether that amel looking offspring is actually a hybino or just an amel het hypo, it is also definite het anery...is that correct? Oh, and all the hypos are definite het anery but 67% possible albino...I think my analysis is correct and maybe your objective for this pairing are the amels/hybinos that are 100% het anery? That would be very cool.

Also, the male hypo looks to have a dark grayish band. Is it from an extreme line or is it just lighting when you took the pic?
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RAY - "Laziness is nothing more than a habit of resting before getting tired!"

Ray,
Yes he is almost extreme looking.Very different thats for sure.He was kinda purple when he was a hatchling.He was produced by Dunham and I got a pair and proved her out last year to be het anery and amel.He is also poss het anery and this breeding should tell.
My main goal here was to prove them both out.I know she is het hypo but she is also poss het amel.He is het amel and is poss het anery soooooooooo,if there are any amels then I proved her out and yes they could be hybinos but at very least they will be visual amel het anery and hypo.All the hypos will be het anery and poss het amel.any anerys will be het hypo and poss het amel and if there are any ghosts then they will be poss het amel and same goes with snows.She doesn't lay very big clutches so its a real crap shoot.This will be her third year and she has laid 4 and 5 so we will see.
I have two or three other breedings like these also so its going to be interesting this year.
A pearl male would be Gold cause when he is up to size there would be no more poss hets at all.Everything would be visual and 100% het for the non visuals.

Shannon

Wow that male sure is sweet!

Interesting pairing you've got going there Shannon. Has anyone produced a Pearl yet??
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Does an open mind let more in?

We don't know if a pearl has been produced yet.There have been several snows produced from triple het x triple het breedings but there is only a 1 in 32 chance that its a triple homozygous.The only way to know right when the clutch is hatching is for both parents to be hypo and or ghost.Then any snows will be 100% visual pearls.I really don't expect them to look any different than a snow.A hypo snow won't stand out in my mind just like the hybino didn't.
Everybody was thinking that the hybinos would just be brilliant looking and as I always thought (because I have produced other hybino snakes) they are actually paler.
Anyway,I am sure this year we wil see a visual known pearl.

Shannon

In the long run, I think everyone wants to get a Pearl because as you said, no more "possible hets"... either visibly showing morphs or 100% het. I have this male albino possibly hybino (poss het hypo) and possibly het anery from Terry Dunham two years ago as a hatchling and just last week was able to mate several times with my 3 year old ghost female (bought from Kevin Hanley 3 years ago). This ghost female by the way laid 4 eggs last year and all hatched as ghosts of course (from mating with another ghost of mine). Anyway, i am testing this Dunham albino poss hybino poss anery and am crossing my fingers to get some ghosts. If I do get some ghosts, then the ghosts will be def het anery. If they produce hypos and anerys too, then they will all be definite het for the other morphs they are not showing. So a lot is riding on this pair. I can feel some small bumps and hope they develop to be good eggs. And if successful, a definite step closer to the Pearl.

Good luck to you and that male hypo is a looker even if it is not visibly extreme hypo.
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RAY - "Laziness is nothing more than a habit of resting before getting tired!"

"If I do get some ghosts, then the ghosts will be def het anery."

Correction: I meant if I do get some ghosts hatchlings, then they will be definite het amels.

If they produce hypos and anerys too, then they will all be definite het for the other morphs they are not showing.
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RAY - "Laziness is nothing more than a habit of resting before getting tired!"

Ray we have the same exact pairing right down to the breeders and the morphs. Good luck with yours! Our female appears to be gravid, so we can't wait see what we get. Also, we had our first clutch of the season laid today.

Good Luck!

Joe Exposito

Ray,Very cool and good luck.I think you meant to say that if you produce any ghosts they will be het amel not anery.Anery they would already be.
Anyway,good luck and I hope he proves out.
Shannon

That's what I get for not proof reading my posting...just getting way too excited because almost all my mating projects have occured for this year...just waiting for visible signs of gravid females.

Thanks Shannon.

Good luck to you too.
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RAY - "Laziness is nothing more than a habit of resting before getting tired!"

In my proving out of my Dunham albino X ghost and they produce only ghosts, would you think 100% certainty that they are het albino or is it possible that these ghosts are produced from retained sperm from last year's partner (which is a Kevin Hanley ghost)? If they produce some hypos or anerys along with the ghosts, then my mind would be at peace. But if they are all ghosts, then do you think I still need to prove him out for the anery and hypo morph?

What do you think ?
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RAY - "Laziness is nothing more than a habit of resting before getting tired!"

Ray, great question.I look at it like this.Forget the fact the he is visual amel since the ghost has no amel genes.So if he was to prove out het anery and het hypo (dbl-het ghost) then what you are doing is breeding a ghost to a dbl-het and its not very likely the whole clutch would be ghosts unless its a very small clutch.
I would say that if its a clutch of five or less and all hatch out ghost then its a good chance it was from retained sperm.If there are any hypos you will know who was the father and if there is any anerys you will know.Some may argue that if there are any ghosts that the clutch could be fathered by both but I really don't buy into that theory.
I do believe in sperm retention but the whole clutch would be from that perticulare male.
Anyway,time will tell.

Shannon

I thank you for your opinions and I share what you are saying about not buying into the idea of 2 fathers in one clutch if one of the males was mated last season. She actually had 5 eggs last year and four hatched (all ghosts of course from both parents being ghosts). She is bigger this year and a little longer, so hopefully she will have more than 5 eggs...so as to have a chance of getting hypos and anerys as well.

later...
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RAY - "Laziness is nothing more than a habit of resting before getting tired!"

Cool Shannon,

Hope everything proves out for you this year. I had a bunch of hook ups over the last 3 days too, those nor'easters are good for something afterall!

Best,
Vinny

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“There is a grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed into a few forms or into one; and that whilst this planet has gone on cycling according to the fixed laws of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being, evolved.” -C. Darwin, 1859

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Thanks vinny.Looks like the pair I sold you a couple years ago.You will get some nice hybinos from that pair.

L8r Shannon

That they are. And a nice pair to boot. I am curious if spot passes on his spots
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“There is a grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed into a few forms or into one; and that whilst this planet has gone on cycling according to the fixed laws of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being, evolved.” -C. Darwin, 1859

Natural Selection Reptiles

yes,it will be very interesting to see if his extreme splotches pass on.Let us know.
Shannon