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Looking Beyond HB 2214

keown Apr 20, 2007 02:24 PM

I realize that at the present most of us have our attention focused on HB 2214 and how we can kill it. And it well needs to be killed. But we also need to be thinking beyond this bill. If we are indeed successful in defeating it during this session, you can bet that they will he back will a similar or even worse bill during the next legislative session (2 years from now). They may not even wait that long, they could possibly accomplish the same thing by convincing the TP&W Board of Commissioners to pass an administrative rule. Such rules have the same effect and weight as a law passed by the legislature. So if we are successful in defeating HB 2414, that will not mean that we have won the war….only a battle… and there will be more battles ahead.

This type of stuff is becoming common all across this country and most of it is being pushed by our good friends at the HSUS, PETA, API and other special interest groups. These organizations have a lot of money backing them and they are being successful in selling their so-called product to city, county and state officials who have no real understanding of what they are really about. Have any of you guys checked into the local city ordinances in the communities where you live recently? If not I suggest that you do so and that you do so on a regular basis. After being out of Texas for almost six years, we recently decided to try to sell out up here in Wyoming and return to Texas for a number of reasons and the quality herping opportunities that exist in Texas was one of the reasons. We began keeping an eye open for real estate in 7 or 8 different communities that we thought we might like to call home when we return to the state. I also began looking into the animal control ordinances in those communities and was surprised….no shocked is a better word. Basically my snakes would be unwelcome and illegal in almost every community that we had been considering moving to. Most all had animal ordinances amended or updated during the past five years which basically outlaw all wild animals including ALL reptiles. The fact that many of these ordinances were either one of two different styles leads me to believe that the HSUS, PETA and API have been actively peddling their goods to our elected officials in Texas….at least in central Texas. In Burnet, it is illegal to keep any un-domesticated animal including ALL reptiles. If you are a tropical fish keeper you are only allowed to keep a maximum of three (3) aquariums and the total gallons capacity for those three tanks may not exceed a total of 90 gallons. In New Braunfels and San Marcos it is illegal to keep any wild animal including all reptiles. Another that I found did permit the keeping of “small, harmless reptiles” but prohibited the keeping of more than 3 of any species. And I found several that were ludicrous at best. One prohibited the keeping of “any non-domesticated warm-blooded animals including reptiles”. Obviously the author of that one flunked 7th grade science. And then there was another that prohibited the keeping of “any carnivorous snake”….Hmm, what other kind of snake is there? And the list continues to grow as we continue to search for a community that e would like to call home and that will allow our animals as well.

If our opposition to HB 2414 is successful, we don’t want to just celebrate our victory and get back to life and herping like normal because we are going to be facing these same battles again and again in the future. We need to begin taking the offensive in these issues instead of always being on the defensive about them. There are no doubt a good number of individuals in the state of Texas who are engaged in some type of herp activity, but unfortunately they are not a solid cohesive group but rather various groups with there own individual interests. If our kids and grandkids are going to be able to keep a lizard or a snake or drive down a country road at night looking for snakes we are going to have to come together as one strong body to ensure that they have those rights.

What I think we need is the creation of what you might call a “Super Herp Society” …perhaps something along the lines of the “Combined herpetological Societies of Texas’ for example…whose sole mission is to monitor proposed legislation and city ordinances in the state and actively work to defeat those that are detrimental to our interests and support those that we can. Each herp society in the state could become affiliated with this larger group and pay some type of organizational dues to help support it and the individual members of all these herp societies could automatically become a member of the larger organization with a portion of their local dues going to support the larger organization. The group should also include the academic herpetologists, zoo personnel, commercial breeders and dealers, hobbyists, and as bad as I hate to say it, perhaps even the rattlesnake roundup organizations. I don’t think that ‘herping’ can survive if we continue to be divided and split. We need an organization that will represent our collective needs and be the political arm for all of our local and regional herp societies across the state. It is something that deserves some serious consideration before it is too late.

Please excuse my long and rambling post…just thinking out loud here as I ponder what the future of herping in Texas will be. For now I need to get back to the task at hand with HB 2414 and also continue our search for a new community to call home in central Texas.
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Gerald Keown
Southwestern Center for Herpetological Research
www.southwesternherp.com

Replies (15)

troy h Apr 20, 2007 02:41 PM

Like Camp Wood LOL, and then live out in the countryside outside of city limits. Its lots harder to pass those broad sweeping Animal Rights laws in rural communities that still exist on farming and ranching.

One wonders when those HSUS/PETA loonies are going to try to pass laws against the eating of meat and the keeping of pet dogs and cats.

Troy

stevenxowens792 Apr 20, 2007 02:47 PM

To be in Camp Wood... But then again, I will be thinking of you
as I order my decaf Vanilla Latte tonight...

I hope to see you guys soon. Are you visiting the metroplex soon?

Steven

troy h Apr 20, 2007 03:33 PM

if you want the decafe vanilla lattee (whatever that is LOL) then you just make your own. Or you could open up a coffee shop in Camp Wood . . .

Troy

LBenton Apr 20, 2007 03:02 PM

But is not true that many animal rights groups / activist end up on terrorist watch list for things like burning places down, or smashing all the SUV windshields on a new car lot? They have a tendency to employ people from or send funds to some part of the radical elements like ELF....

How on earth do these nut jobs get taken seriously anyway??? And then you have responsible hunters that do more real work for conservation than anybody else and they end up with the short straw compared the fantasy land that these tree huggers sell...

My angry rant for the week. I hope you enjoyed it as much as I did.

Lance

brhaco Apr 20, 2007 03:15 PM

most of us release the VAST majority of the herps we see, maybe only occasionally taking something home. We need to play up this aspect with both TPW and our representatives in government. Our enjoyment of our endeavours, and our attitude toward them, is almost identical to that of more conventional hunters and fishermen. And needless to say we feel every bit as protective of our rights!

Most of these folks are sportsmen themselves, and I've found such comparisons will often help us find common ground....

Brad Chambers

LBenton Apr 20, 2007 03:25 PM

The ultimate thing would be to get the take of herps regulated under a general fishing license instead of hunting. After all that group with the ability to catch and release is much more like ours in some respects. You cannot put a deer back into the wild with a .308 inch hole through it, it just does not work out very well.

Maybe when we put this bill to rest we can try to do that, after all it is that way in some states like CA and to some extent AZ as examples...

Maybe some of our sympathetic legislators can be sold on the idea of proposing a bill we have hand in drawing up.. One that respects TP&W and herpers alike.

Ah, the make a wish rant... Now that one is over with too...

Lance

MaxPeterson Apr 21, 2007 01:14 AM

Yep, Representative Hildebran is one of those "sportsmen" - he was involved financially in some of those infamous canned hunts - What a guy

His little side-kick Todd (The committee clerk) is one of the main problems - Ever heard of Napoleon syndrome?

Anyone who says they can accept one bill over the other isn't doing any of us any favors - Both bills will effect all of us one way, or another.

I was at two of the committee hearings, & these people (the representatives) will lie through their teeth while stabbing you in the back. I'm really disillusioned with our political process.

Unfortunately, I don't see any good solutions - We can keep plugging along & hope we can get it killed on the Senate side.

Max

troy h Apr 20, 2007 03:32 PM

people take these animal rightsers seriously (and lambaste hunters) because they live in the city and are completely out of touch with nature. Their only views of nature come through "animal planet", about half of which is fantasy.

Hunters contribute huge amounts annually to wildlife conservation. That's why I'm a member of Boone & Crockett as my primary conservation org.

Troy

bobhansen Apr 20, 2007 06:04 PM

Troy and others:

If you've not already visited this site, and are in need of a diversion from the present legislative battle:

http://www.peta-sucks.com/

Cheers,

Bob

Joe Forks Apr 20, 2007 06:09 PM

I laughed when I read the URL, I can only imagine! I'll save it for when I have a few minutes.

dustyrhoads Apr 20, 2007 11:33 PM

post by Glenn Beck I just read the other day. Pretty hilarious stuff. More "conservationists" impeding the rights of the real Americans.

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March 20th, 2007

The Clouded Leopard

The Ocelot

A couple of weeks ago, I told you about one of the most loathsome and ferocious creatures that has ever walked the earth,…and how it may not be walking it for a whole lot longer. See, as the wall is being ever-so-slowly built along our southern border in order to keep illegal aliens out, it’s also messing with the natural habitat of the ocelot, a mountain cat that enjoys nothing better than feasting on human flesh–preferably babies…orphan babies (fine—Google it…see if I care). “Conservationalists” are afraid that this wall and its impact could be the final nail in the ocelot’s coffin, as the feline death machine is already on the endangered species list. I say, good riddance—controlling illegal immigration is key to U.S. survival and if that means that while making a “national security omelet” we have to break a few “ocelot eggs,” so be it. You had a good run, ocelot, but now we need a “mucho grande” wall along the Mexican border, so, “hasta la vista.”

No sooner had those words fallen from my mouth that I read the news—the “clouded leopard” is a brand spanking new species that has been discovered on the far off island of Borneo. Do I know where Borneo is exactly? Of course not—let’s just say it’s far enough away that the hijinx of this leopard won’t bother me—or you–one bit. See, just as the ocelot was preparing to settle down for a nice long dirt nap, Mother Nature heard their roar and sent a new species to take the ocelot’s place…for every death—a birth, with every ending…a new beginning.The universe has restored balance to the earth, and I was there to lend a helping hand. Now, I’m not saying that my calling for an accelerated building of the border wall so that the dreaded ocelot will meet its maker that much sooner “inspired” Mother Nature to produce the new clouded leopard, but I’m not not saying it either.

I’m sure some of you might be wondering, “Hey Glenn—isn’t the clouded leopard just as carnivorous a four-legged demon as the ocelot?” That’s a fair question, and as far as I’m concerned, it most certainly is…perhaps even more so. But let’s be clear about this so that there’s no misunderstandings now or down the line: When it comes to me and the peaceful co-existence with all the beings on this big blue ball spinning around the sun, I ask myself just one question…

Do I have an affiliate there…will I be spending any time in the general vicinity? Southern California / Ocelot-land? Yup. Borneo / clouded leopard-ville? No way! So live long and prosper my clouded leopard friend and know that you have my blessing to enjoy many generations of health and happiness. But be warned—should some Borneo radio station pick up my show or I decide to take advantage of the American-dollar-to-whatever-they-use-for-money-in-Borneo exchange rate and buy a sweet estate there with one of those totally cool hammocks strung between two palm trees, be warned that Borneo won’t be big enough for both of us. So take advantage of this time Mr. Clouded Leopard…you vicious jungle beast. I know where you live and for you—that’s not healthy. Just ask the ocelots…that is, if there are any left!

keown Apr 20, 2007 03:47 PM

Well, believe it or not, we have toyed with the idea of Camp Wood, Leakey, Rio Frio and Utopia. but due to some medical issues (you get them things as you get to be older than dirt)we need to be within a little closer commute to either S.A. or Austin.

Actually, now we are up in northwestern Wyoming in in the country between Cody and Yellowstone. It beats the dickens out of life in the big city, but in this part of the country it does not take long to collect or observe every herp native to the region. In fact I thought about writing a book on them....but it was going to turn out to only be a 6-page pamphlet.

Haven't been to Camp Wood in a number of years, but I recall it being a rather serene place. Consider yourself fortunate to live there.
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Gerald Keown
Southwestern Center for Herpetological Research
www.southwesternherp.com

brhaco Apr 20, 2007 04:03 PM

Why not join us here in Boerne? We have several reptile breeders within 5 miles of town (including some real heavy-hitters in the business), and recently defeated an attempt by a local AR wacko to force through a standard anti-reptile ordinance. Plus, it's only 25 miles outside San Antonio, and one of the prettiest, most serene little towns in the Hill Country!

Brad Chambers

keown Apr 21, 2007 12:40 PM

Brad,

Actually Boerne is one of the communities that we are considering, providing an suitble piece of real estate is available at an acceptable price when we get ready to pull the plug up here in the north country. Boerne appears to be one of the few towns in the region that still has an animal ordinance that does not restrict or prohibit wild animals or reptiles in any way. Glad to hear that your local city fathers turned your local wacko down.
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Gerald Keown
Southwestern Center for Herpetological Research
www.southwesternherp.com

jpenney Apr 20, 2007 08:36 PM

Gerald,
Maybe Kingsnake/pet hobbyist is the perfect breeding grounds for this. If we limit ourselves to a reptile org, then we limit our barganing power. Include the fish nuts, bug nuts, dog nuts (no organs implied), cat nuts, et al. Make one BIG pet org to protect the rights of pet owners. Unfortunatley numbers and money talk. PETA knows this well and has lots of financial backing. Those idiots have gotten more BS passed than one would think possible. If we don't have a counter org. then whos fault is it? I like your thinking. >>steps off soapbox
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Snakes of Hudspeth County, Texas

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