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Igloo Hydrokable heat incubator(pics)...

mexicanamak Apr 21, 2007 07:25 PM

Igloo 120 quart marine cooler heated with Hydor Hydrokable aquarium substrate heat cable, water will be to just below the shelf. A steady and gentle flow of air will be pumped in through the aerators. All that's left to do is to cut and install corrugated plastic splash panels under the shelf and above the aerators to control bubble splash, install the thermostat and thermo/hygrometer probes, possibly a thin acrylic inner lid and she's ready for a test drive...

Micro screened adjustable front vent.....

Exterior view of the adjustable vent with smallest opening exposed.....

Cable, airline and probe access in the rear.....

I’m shooting for near 100% humidity and a constant supply of oxygen with as little air movement as possible with this thing.

Total cost of around $450 to build, hope it works…
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Mike

Replies (14)

waspinator421 Apr 21, 2007 09:56 PM

Wow, that is quite the elaborate set up. Looks really good! I hope it works out.

I have a question for you... when you use the heated water type incubator, do you ever have a problem with the substrate getting too wet? I used to incubate with this method, but the vermiculite kept getting too wet. I think condensation was dripping off the lid of the egg box, but I'm not entirely sure. Would like to hear how you solved this problem, or what I might've been doing wrong.

This year I'm trying a completely different approach to incubating, and so far it seems to be working fantastic with my gecko eggs!
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mexicanamak Apr 22, 2007 06:14 AM

Thanks for the kind words Aubrey. I still like tinkering with things, it’s kinda like model building that I don’t do any more and I get a kick out of focusing on details. I’m weird like that and would drive most folks crazy. I’m surprised Mary has learned to tolerate me as well as she has, but that’s how special she is!

The more moisture I can get in the incubator, the happier I am and with all that humidity I tend to mix my vermiculite a little on the dry side. In the beginning I had lots of problems with too much moisture in both perlite and vermiculite… and it was because I initially mixed it and kept it too wet. I think the trick with vermiculite or any incubation substrate is to be careful not to mix it too wet in the beginning and of course be careful how much moisture is added or lost during the process of incubation. Vermiculite holds moisture exceptionally well at it’s interior unless it‘s too wet, sort of like a sponge. With anything absorbent, the closer it gets to the point of saturation the quicker it dumps moisture at it’s surface. I prefer the eggs to be surrounded by saturated air as opposed to sitting in substrate that’s too wet for obvious reasons. If you think about what happens in nature, successful eggs are deposited in or on only slightly damp soil that is protected from the elements, under ground debris, deep within a rock pile, in decaying logs, etc. where it is humid and only slightly damp but not wet. Mixing the vermiculite I add water until just before it begins to clump together. If I can make a little vermiculite ball, I add more dry material just until I can no longer do that. My egg boxes are also well ventilated and if I get the moisture level in the incubator high enough, I also leave the lids ajar. Mixing the vermiculite this way and pumping up the humidity in the incubator to over 90%, while at the same time providing good ventilation, has all but eliminated condensate on the lids and the concern of the substrate becoming too wet

The thing with this incubator is, I’m hoping to reach near 100% humidity so I can leave the lids completely off until they begin to hatch so I don‘t have any of these problems we‘ve had with substrate that gets too wet, and so that the eggs get plenty of oxygen during the entire cycle. If all goes perfectly well, I would like to be able to leave the lids of the egg boxes completely off, and possibly only have a thin, loose blanket of very slightly damp sphagnum moss around the eggs with not too much vermiculite on the bottom and just be able to set the thing up and leave it alone. Kinda like a Showtime Rotisserie Oven….. Set it and _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _!! Well, not completely. I built a lot of ventilation flexibility into this thing, if necessary I can pop the center out of the adjustable vent which will leave behind a screened 2” vent port, or I can close it off completely and let the air pump pressure push air through the seams so I should be able to make some combination work. If it proves necessary to have lids over the boxes, these boxes have slightly domed lids so any moisture that might condense there will run off to the edges.

I’m always curious and looking for new ideas… what new system are you using this year?
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Mike

waspinator421 Apr 22, 2007 12:16 PM

Sounds like you've got all the details figured out! I think I did mix the vermiculite a little too wet to start with, for using the water method. I still had the eggs hatch, but it was a pain to monitor the moisture all the time.

This year I went out and got a small space heater with a built in thermostat. I set it up in my small walk in closet to make a kind of "incubation room". The eggs were put in a lidded deli cup with moist vermiculite, as I usually do, and set them on top of the dresser. The deli cup has two small holes on the side for ventilation. So far, I haven't had to tweak a thing, and the vermiculite's moisture has reamined exactly the same, and no condensation either. The eggs I've got in there are looking great, though I think one may be infertile.

Hopefully this will work out and I'll get some baby geckos in a few weeks. If it works, I'll feel much more comfortable about putting snake eggs in there!
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mexicanamak Apr 22, 2007 06:42 PM

...a lot more adventurous than I am. If I weren't somewhat of a gadget freak I should probably be doing the same thing and saving a bunch of money. I know a lot of people have great success with kingsnake eggs sitting on a warm shelf, I just haven't had the nerve to do it yet but it makes perfect sense. They develop and hatch at essentially the temps we prefer to live in.

Just add water, and..... Baby kingsnakes!

My first year incubating I had a bout with those pesky little microscopic carrion flies, or whatever these lightning fast little things are that we get around here. They get in through even the smallest opening. From that point on I've always found a way to screen the vent holes in the incubators to keep them out. I've given serious thought to setting my egg boxes on a warm shelf, but the thought of those little pests makes me think twice. I have heard however, that the legs of panty hose makes the perfect screen cover for slipping over the egg box.

Good luck with those gecko eggs, you'll have to show us those little buggers when they poke their noses out.
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Mike

waspinator421 Apr 22, 2007 08:14 PM

"Just add water, and..... Baby kingsnakes!" LOL! I had a good chuckle over that one!

I've never had a problem with flies. Perhaps we don't get them up north? At least you've figured out how to foil their plans! Pantyhose would probably work well too.
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mexicanamak Apr 22, 2007 09:05 PM

Pantyhose... one word?!! Shows how much of a guy I am doesn't it!


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Mike

waspinator421 Apr 22, 2007 11:28 PM

oh gosh... don't take my word for it! I don't know if it's one word or not.... just the way it came out as I typed. lol!
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mexicanamak Apr 23, 2007 05:49 AM

...one word. lol, Googled it!


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Mike

Beaker30 Apr 23, 2007 07:49 PM

I dont know about the flies...but I know how to get past panty hose.
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3.3 Variable Kings
1.4 Kunasir Island Rats
1.2 Everglades Rats
0.1 White Oak Gray Rat
0.1 Speckled King
0.1 Tarahumara Mtn King
0.1 Baird's Rat
0.1 Amelanistic Corn

MichelleRogers Apr 21, 2007 10:49 PM

Fantastic job. it looks great, I can't wait to see how it does.
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Michelle
All things bright and beautiful,
All creatures great and small,
All things wise and wonderful:
The Lord God made them all.

mexicanamak Apr 22, 2007 06:20 AM

Thanks Michelle, it went together pretty easy and I had fun with it. If it works well I'll try to post a few photos with it up and running.
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Mike

APLAXAR Apr 23, 2007 11:55 AM

Hey Mike, that is a darn cool set up, i have been thinking of something like that for next year, when i hopefully have a a few more clutches of king eggs. but that set up looks great, defiantly wanna know how it goes, this year i am just (hopefully) doing the hovabator one last time with it hooked up to a Helix DBS1000 just to be safe, in the upstairs up my apartment where it stays nice and warm anyway. and on the fly issue i read in Kathy Love's book that the flies wont venture in the dark, so hopefully if the eggs are cut off from light you wont have to deal with the pests

Adam

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6.6 THAYERI
1.2 SPLENDIDA
1.3 ALTERNA
0.0.1 CORN SNAKE
0.1.1 PYXIE FROG
0.0.1 MEXICAN RED KNEE
1.0 CHILEAN ROSE HAIR

mexicanamak Apr 23, 2007 04:01 PM

Thanks for the compliments on the "HydroKable-bator" Adam. You can get a similar Igloo 120 quart cooler at Wally World for about $50... minus the small easy access second lid. If you decide to build something let me know... I'll pass along links to suppliers of the specialty PVC fittings I used.

I must have some sort of micro-fly in my area that is different from those Kathy talks about. My eggs have always been in the dark. These flies are literally about the size of a pin head, and they show up out of nowhere and darkness doesn't hold them back in the least. Must be guided more by scent than both scent and sight. Since I figured out how to screen everything it's become a non-issue... they can't get in but I have to use the finest screening material I can find. Literally as fine as a wire mesh coffee filter screen. If you look closely at the front vent on this incubator you can see just how fine the mesh is.
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Mike

shannon brown Apr 23, 2007 05:48 PM

The flies are a pain in the @rss but they will only atack bad eggs.No worries mates.

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