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Anyone producing any homo ghost het amel cal kings?
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3.6 L. getula californiae
1.1 L. getula nigrita
1.0 Pantherophis guttatus guttatus
1.0 Thamnophis sirtalis fitchi
1.0 Boa constrictor constrictor (suriname, fostering/rescue)
3.3 Elgaria multicarinata multicarinata

I already have some that are albino (100% het Ghost), and I have some that are double hets (albino & Ghost).

Also have some that are double hets (Ghost & Mendota)

And I will be breeding a Ghost x Lavender this year.

Kerby...

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Lonesome Valley Reptiles
www.lonesomevalleyreptiles.com
Specializing In California Kingsnakes

I'm thinking of trying to get a male ghost het amel to breed with a het amel female to produce some amel het ghost.

I'm just thinking it could eventually lead to double homo (amel x ghost) mating with double homo (lav x hyper) to produce 4x hets that would then be fun to breed as the clutch would be so varied.

My priority (what I really want to produce) is the Davis/Mendota Black Belly hyper X lavender - but since I have a couple het amel females I hatched in December that I want to buy mates for, I might as well see if I can get the ghost gene into the mix now as well. A homo ghost already caring amel gene would be preferable.
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3.6 L. getula californiae
1.1 L. getula nigrita
1.0 Pantherophis guttatus guttatus
1.0 Thamnophis sirtalis fitchi
1.0 Boa constrictor constrictor (suriname, fostering/rescue)
3.3 Elgaria multicarinata multicarinata

**I'm thinking of trying to get a male ghost het amel to breed with a het amel female to produce some amel het ghost.**

Already have an albino het Ghost male available.

**I'm just thinking it could eventually lead to double homo (amel x ghost) mating with double homo (lav x hyper) to produce 4x hets that would then be fun to breed as the clutch would be so varied.**

That is true but with quad hets you decrease the chance of something coming out showing 2, 3 or 4 traits at the same time. It is in the future since we already have Blizzards (albino/hypermelanistc) and I have triple hets (albino, lavender, hypermelanistics) and a LOT of other double hets of different combos.

**My priority (what I really want to produce) is the Davis/Mendota Black Belly hyper X lavender**

I have that combo (double het lavender/hypermelanistic) in double hets that I will be breeding next year.

Kerby...

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Lonesome Valley Reptiles
www.lonesomevalleyreptiles.com
Specializing In California Kingsnakes

**Already have an albino het Ghost male available.**

Yeah - I want the other way though, so that of the 1/4 that come out albino, they will be 100% het for ghost - and I can then just do a sybling pairing to get 1/4 that come out both.

**That is true but with quad hets you decrease the chance of something coming out showing 2, 3 or 4 traits at the same time.**

Understood - but it would be a neat pairing to offer people getting into the hobby because of how varied the clutch will be - even if most of the morphs that come out are single homo.

**I have that combo (double het lavender/hypermelanistic) in double hets that I will be breeding next year. **

Yes - I'm interested in finding out at some point if my lavender is compat gene with what you are working with. This year I'm producing hets and will buy mates from same breeder I got my female from. In '09 or '10 I should be hatching some out (I'll be making my first double hets that year too - I intend to buy two young male lavenders from that breeder, and also a couple '07 Davis females)

I've no doubt that by the time I produce any, you'll have produced a bunch - I intend to go about the slow way.

Some 2x hets will breed with lavenders and some 2x hets will breed with hypers. Hold back the lavenders and hypers produced and pair lavender with hyper - and 1/4 pairing will be pairing that have 1/4 2x homo offspring - but the pairing that don't will tell me which held back snakes are not het and therefore should be sold off as proven breeders, and which held back snakes are het so they can be paired with mates that are het.

It's a slower method, but it should work.
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3.6 L. getula californiae
1.1 L. getula nigrita
1.0 Pantherophis guttatus guttatus
1.0 Thamnophis sirtalis fitchi
1.0 Boa constrictor constrictor (suriname, fostering/rescue)
3.3 Elgaria multicarinata multicarinata

The problem with cal kings is the small clutch size (especially in young cal kings) compared to something like corns. It is easier to get 1/16 from double hets in corns when the clutch sizes from even 18 month old corns can be 14-20 eggs. It can take a couple of years in cal kings to get just ONE desired result.

Kerby...

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Lonesome Valley Reptiles
www.lonesomevalleyreptiles.com
Specializing In California Kingsnakes

Yeah - that's one of the reason I want to go the route of 2x het to 1x homo.

I figure if I pair lav 50% hyper with hyper 50% lav - one clutch will probably be enough to determine with reasonable liklihood the parents. Any lavenders would prove the hyper is het and any hypers would prove the lavender is het. Furthermore, any single morphs produced would be 100% het for the other trait.

As far as amel and ghost go - if I can't find a male ghost het for amel, then I suspect by the time I have 2x homo lav/hyper - I'll be able to buy a pair that is 2x homo albino/ghost. I don't feel a huge urge to try and make it on my own.
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3.6 L. getula californiae
1.1 L. getula nigrita
1.0 Pantherophis guttatus guttatus
1.0 Thamnophis sirtalis fitchi
1.0 Boa constrictor constrictor (suriname, fostering/rescue)
3.3 Elgaria multicarinata multicarinata

Here is an albino that is 100% het Ghost, and with an ORANGE belly!

Kerby...

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Lonesome Valley Reptiles
www.lonesomevalleyreptiles.com
Specializing In California Kingsnakes