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Are these guys acanthurus or brachyrus?

Royreptile May 01, 2007 12:14 AM

I posted this on the Acanthurus forum, but it didn't get a reply. I know this question gets asked all of the time, but are these acanthurus or brachyrus? I know that at least one of them is shedding, and I'm just starting with this species so I'm not quite sure. Any help would be immensely appreciated.
Thanks.
Here they are together.

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Roy Blodgett
royreptile@yahoo.com

1.1 Drymarchon corais
0.1 Coluber mormon
1.1 Lampropeltis getula californiae (desert phase)
1.0 Boiga dendrophila dendrophila
0.1 Candoia aspera (red phase)
1.1 Uroplatus henkeli
1.1 Corytophanes cristatus
1.1 Varanus acanthurus
2.1 Pogona vitticeps (snow and red/gold)
1.0 Iguana iguana

“All men lie enveloped in whale-lines. All are born with halters round their necks; but it is only when caught in the swift, sudden turn of death, that mortals realize the silent, subtle, ever-present perils of life.”- Herman Melville

Replies (9)

Royreptile May 01, 2007 12:14 AM

Another picture showing the tails.

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Roy Blodgett
royreptile@yahoo.com

1.1 Drymarchon corais
0.1 Coluber mormon
1.1 Lampropeltis getula californiae (desert phase)
1.0 Boiga dendrophila dendrophila
0.1 Candoia aspera (red phase)
1.1 Uroplatus henkeli
1.1 Corytophanes cristatus
1.1 Varanus acanthurus
2.1 Pogona vitticeps (snow and red/gold)
1.0 Iguana iguana

“All men lie enveloped in whale-lines. All are born with halters round their necks; but it is only when caught in the swift, sudden turn of death, that mortals realize the silent, subtle, ever-present perils of life.”- Herman Melville

Royreptile May 01, 2007 12:15 AM

And yet another picture detailing the head.

Image
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Roy Blodgett
royreptile@yahoo.com

1.1 Drymarchon corais
0.1 Coluber mormon
1.1 Lampropeltis getula californiae (desert phase)
1.0 Boiga dendrophila dendrophila
0.1 Candoia aspera (red phase)
1.1 Uroplatus henkeli
1.1 Corytophanes cristatus
1.1 Varanus acanthurus
2.1 Pogona vitticeps (snow and red/gold)
1.0 Iguana iguana

“All men lie enveloped in whale-lines. All are born with halters round their necks; but it is only when caught in the swift, sudden turn of death, that mortals realize the silent, subtle, ever-present perils of life.”- Herman Melville

jonathan-m May 01, 2007 07:50 PM

They look like yellows from a line similar to one of my animals..

Royreptile May 01, 2007 09:26 PM

That one does look very similar. What line do you speak of? Thanks for your help.
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Roy Blodgett
royreptile@yahoo.com

1.1 Drymarchon corais
0.1 Coluber mormon
1.1 Lampropeltis getula californiae (desert phase)
1.0 Boiga dendrophila dendrophila
0.1 Candoia aspera (red phase)
1.1 Uroplatus henkeli
1.1 Corytophanes cristatus
1.1 Varanus acanthurus
2.1 Pogona vitticeps (snow and red/gold)
1.0 Iguana iguana

“All men lie enveloped in whale-lines. All are born with halters round their necks; but it is only when caught in the swift, sudden turn of death, that mortals realize the silent, subtle, ever-present perils of life.”- Herman Melville

FR May 02, 2007 09:37 AM

They are V.a.brachyurus, From the south eastern part of their range, Cloncurry/Mt.Isa area.

The two common types of ackies in the states are those, Yellow ackies and Red ackies, which are a different subspecies, V.a.acanthurus. The reds originate from the far far far west of Western Australia. There is around two thousand miles between these two and many other undiscribed types of ackies inbetween them,as well.

As of this time there are no lines or morphs. The reason is, they are not commonly imported, legal or not. There are very few decent keepers that can breed them long enough to achieve the luck of morphs or not long enough to develop a consistant morph. Or to breed them successfully enough to continue any line.

I do understand you hear things like Rare earth line, or Pro Exotic line or Goanna Ranch line. The problem is, they are all EXACTLY the same and of the exact same origin.

Another huge problem is, many naive keepers, simply thought they were just different colors and crossed them without knowing they were different(I have nothing against crossing) But then did not tell anyone or label the offspring as crosses(if you do crosses, you must RENAME the offspring. The cool part of crossing is, you can name them anything you like. Unless that particular cross has been named already.

At one time, Pete wiess, named some lines like, Western giants, the problem was, while they are a line, they were not western or giant. They were indeed a line(started from a local morph of Mt. Isa) Which is central east oz. Not west. Then there was German reds, which were another line of Mt. Isa(V.a.brachyurus) that were an orangish morph.

Sadly as soon as the line keepers stopped breeding them, they disappeared.

At this time I am working on three new lines of ackies. Two are local morphs of a exsisting subspecies, and one is another variation of Mt. Isa types. But they are not commonly available yet.

Sorry for taking so long, but this, WHATS MY ACKIE, thing is very mucked up these days. Cheers

weidjd May 02, 2007 06:13 PM

Good info. I have noticed that many are asking this and getting answers all over the place. Glad to know what is really going on. Can you get any new ackie stock at all? Or is it totally off limits. I am sure there is some back room stuff going on, or smuggling of some kind.

FR May 02, 2007 08:08 PM

There use to be all sorts of new monitors at shows, up until about 95 or so. Then nothing new for a long time. But lately I have seen a couple of "new" animals pop up in adds.

As for smuggling, I would imagine they would not tell anyone as that would be not so good for the smugglers.

Also, lots of stuff use to come in under the wrong name. That is, they had CITIES papers for a certain species, but what actually came in would be a different species. You could imagine, a baby perenty or lace or Greys in with a ton of waters. Cheers

jobi May 02, 2007 08:27 PM

Frank Iv stop funding expeditions to find new species because some dishonest dealers infiltrated my team and started selling new monitors all over, they started collecting for European varanophil gurus (bohme), they in turn named them as new species and this banned there imports as the Indonesian government refuses to acknowledge this nomenclature, they feel they should have a say in this.

I have stopped funding the collecting of monitors in 2002, and none have been discovered sins, it take a lot of money to organise an expeditions, only a fool like me could spend on such nonsense.
Theirs a new yellow jobiensis, this new monitor is the reason I am going in September, this time no dealer will ever know its locality.

Royreptile May 02, 2007 08:33 PM

Thanks for your input on the subject, Frank. I have heard about Mt. Isa brachyrus previously, and I wondered if that's what mine were so thanks for clearing that up. I love these little guys, they're so inquisitive and seemingly intelligent. Now, I'll have to locate a pair or trio of acanthurus. Thanks again.
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Roy Blodgett
royreptile@yahoo.com

1.1 Drymarchon corais
0.1 Coluber mormon
1.1 Lampropeltis getula californiae (desert phase)
1.0 Boiga dendrophila dendrophila
0.1 Candoia aspera (red phase)
1.1 Uroplatus henkeli
1.1 Corytophanes cristatus
1.1 Varanus acanthurus
2.1 Pogona vitticeps (snow and red/gold)
1.0 Iguana iguana

“All men lie enveloped in whale-lines. All are born with halters round their necks; but it is only when caught in the swift, sudden turn of death, that mortals realize the silent, subtle, ever-present perils of life.”- Herman Melville

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