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Kingofspades May 04, 2007 11:17 PM

So I'm at Petco the other night, and I walk by the snakes, as I always do...
and I see a snow corn...
I look at the price, expecting to see the usual $39.99 price tag...
and instead...
it says $80.99!!!!

When? What? Huh?

Did prices on corns skyrocket and no one told me?
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"What is man without the beasts?
If all the beasts were gone,
men would die from great loneliness of spirit.
For what happens to the beasts,
soon happens to men.
All things are connected."

-Chief Seattle (Duwamish Tribe)

Replies (37)

phiber_optikx May 05, 2007 03:45 AM

You pay 3-4X what they pay..... Maybe they have switched distributors... maybe the breeder just asked more? Maybe they want and extra $40? Either way that is not a bad deal if you concider what you would pay for a snake after shipping. $25 $55 = $80.... As long as the person buying it feels they got their moneys worth then it was worth it....

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.1 Snow Corn "Hope"
1. Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Chunk" (Goonies)
.1 Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Peaches"
.1 MO Locale Black Ratsnake "Molly" (Flogging Molly)

"Have you ever tried simply turning off the T.V., sitting down with your kids... and hitting them?"

closedcasket88 May 05, 2007 09:14 AM

pet stores suck in my opinion ,there def overpriced and they dont usualy know anything
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1.0 Amelanistic greatplains ratsnake
0.1 Greatplains ratsnake
0.1 Amelanistic Cornsnake
1.1 Everglades Ratsnake
0.1 Greenish ratsnake
1.1 Texas Ratsnake
0.1 Black ratsnake
1.1 Speckled kingsnake
1.1 stripeless gartersnake
1.0 onestriped northwestern garter
0.1 Oregon Red sided gartersnake
0.1 graceful chamelion
1.0 Leopard Gecko
1.0 green iguana
and a bangin @ss drumset

black_wolf May 05, 2007 11:35 AM

it's one of those mom-n-pop's places where they breed their own snakes. I live close to one, but yeah.... Petco is the worst IMO. Petsmart (atleast the one I go to) is actually has pretty knowledgeable people on reptiles.
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1.0.0 Bearded Dragon (Rex- "normal" orange fire)
1.0.0 Bearded Dragon (Glutany- German Giant Mix)
0.1.0 Okeetee Corn (Okatee)
1.1.0 Spotted Python (Hotdog and Shoelace)

sean1976 May 05, 2007 12:46 PM

... I live near a private petshop (Pets to Go) where the owners have alot of vet/breeding experience and they breed reptiles under the Upscale Reptiles name rather then the pet store name. Great people, well kept healthy animals, and they always give you the straight information on the animals you are thinking about.

So basically yeah it depends on whether you are dealing with owners who are in it to run a buisness or with people who were into pets before they went to open a buisness.

Sean.

sean1976 May 05, 2007 12:47 PM

I didn't mean private petshop, I meant privately owned petshop. Please forgive any other typographical errors I made lol.

Sean.

duffy May 05, 2007 02:44 PM

I have never paid for shipping (and probably never will). So, of course, that price sounds like a crappy price to me. But I've learned to never be surprised by what a pet store tries to get out of a snake. The most I've paid for any of my corns is $15.
Oh, and the $4 price to get in the show, I guess. Now I'm breedin' them and givin' them away to folks I know who will take good care of them and get hooked on our great hobby. Duffy

jyohe May 05, 2007 08:26 PM

..........that's why breeding snakes sucks...someone always trying to get the babies for nothing......work all year for babies and people want them for free......make nothing from them.....and someone always undercutting all the prices.....I did it....I am still cheap....but it isn't fun nor profitable.........corns for $15 sucks.......ultra-hypo motley striped lavender .....$15.......yep........

..........snake prices go down every year........mice prices are the same or less than 15 years ago.........yet all the gas and food and time has gone up 100 to 200%......

.........mkes you want to go fishing.........

........wonder what we'll do when they ban all snakes as breeders or pets?.......

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garweft May 05, 2007 09:02 PM

........wonder what we'll do when they ban all snakes as breeders or pets?.......

Keep a couple secret W/C without telling anyone..... Just like when I was a kid.

duffy May 05, 2007 09:37 PM

If you don't think it's fun anymore, then maybe you shouldn't do it. Supply and demand will always prevail. And let's face it: It's just not that hard to breed corn snakes. So the price of your common morphs will be naturally low, and even the "new" stuff will come down pretty quickly, because (again) it's just not that tough to breed them. I think it's fun and a very enjoyable part of the hobby. And I have no illusions about making some kind of big profit. I would rather have fun breeding them and just make sure that the babies wind up somewhere decent. So, the good news: It doesn't cost much to get into this hobby. The bad news: Not gonna make big bucks unless you have the resources to invest in the high-end stuff, or the drive to do it large scale and accept that it's a JOB.
As for going fishing....Yeah, just about everything makes me want to go fishing. That's a great idea. Duffy

phiber_optikx May 06, 2007 01:24 AM

The big problem is that everyone thinks their time is worth so much nowadays..... Is it worth $20 an egg to throw it in a home made incubator and keep an eye on it every few days? It is to me..... If you are more interested in the profit then you have most likely outgrown the hobby. This isn't a bad thing. Your interests just change. But for me the snakes are still interesting and a pleasure to work with. Its like fishing, you do it for the sport of it all. I wouldn't complain if they were only paying me $20 for each fish I catch.......
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.1 Snow Corn "Hope"
1. Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Chunk" (Goonies)
.1 Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Peaches"
.1 MO Locale Black Ratsnake "Molly" (Flogging Molly)

"Have you ever tried simply turning off the T.V., sitting down with your kids... and hitting them?"

draybar May 07, 2007 04:45 PM

Yeah, just about everything makes me want to go fishing. That's a great idea. Duffy

That's me...
Everything makes me want to go fishing as well.
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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"Resistance is futile"
Jimmy Johnson
(Draybar)
Draybars Snakes

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HerpZillA May 06, 2007 08:03 PM

1 I just hate it when people say all pet shops suck (another part of this thread)

2 They complain about shows.

3 They complain about buying on the web, because they can not see what you get.

1 I help an old friend out at his shop. 41 years in the same location, and did herps from day one. Thats 1966! His complaint MIGHT be basement breeders selling stuff, and not paying taxes, or any business expense. Or the web, as he just does not have that ability, and maybe side step the legit arena. Or the crap o corp shops. But he doesn't he just tries to do the best he can.

2 Why complain about shows? You see the animal, you know the guy may or may not be there next month. Especially if you go a lot. Ask him his health guarantee. This one is really at the top of my list for not understanding. You take your chances. Period.

3 Complain about the web? Please, you know you can not actually see an animal, again you take some chances. As with anything. People need to educate themselves and grow up and take responsibility for their own actions.

Pet shops do not suck. Suckie pet shops suck. Usually only as good as the people inside. I've been crap o pets and been amazed at times on the quality of people. Not often, but it has happened. And those employees do not last long as they usually move on.

Shows do not suck. Some sellers may? Cleveland tossed a guy that soaked ball pythons in orange gatorade. This guy also tried to run a shop. It crashed of course. BUT, people knew of him, and still went in? I do not want to hear complaints from those people..
Back to show sellers,,Some may be good and sell a good animal and either it is truly an unknown underlying health reason, or maybe the new owner messed up. I really respect the honestly of the few people that come back to me and say, "I screwed up" and I need a replacement. I do as much of a discount as I can because of their honestly on a replacement. If something like a hamster, gerbil, pet rat, etc, I just give them one..

The web is what it is. Buyer beware. Again, if you are going to drop some serious scratch, do some research. Become educate yourself on what you buy.

This is my seasonal vent. I see so many people in the shop we try to explain the proper care of an animal and they just do not listen. If I had a nickel for each minute explaining UVB is NOT heat from a red bulb. And just because a red bulb says reptile does not mean it can live on just it.

I think I expect more from forum people. I'm not sure why? I guess I just have had better conversations here. But that may be due to the higher volume.

Thank for your time.

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
So much better
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Thanks for reading.
Big Tom

www.herpzilla.com

HerpZillA May 06, 2007 09:08 PM

Yes it "appears" corn and some other snakes have bounced back in price. I presume, much like albino burms, as people get on board to breed, they drop, as people stop, there are less on the market, so they go up.

Corn (eating type corn) also rose, so many feeds may go up. Which will affect feed, and of course cost of snakes. IMHO of course.
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Thanks for reading.
Big Tom

www.herpzilla.com

xblackheart May 06, 2007 10:56 PM

Where you been? I asked about you not too long ago. Well, maybe it was some time ago. Time flies. lol.
Hope all is well. Welcome back
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****Misty****

www.sneakyserpents.com

"Life is Killing Me"

HerpZillA May 06, 2007 11:15 PM

Well thank you very much. I was never a solid core corn breeder. Kind of fell into it. Then I lost my 2 keyy females. Nothig super special just to me, so I took all I had back to the shop to sell. Except 1 male bloodred. I guess I just felt out of place in here? The hot rock topic got me to stop lurking.

I must say you made my night.

I'm doing ok, my real goal this year to to finally get my garage up. Long loooong story, but I really need something to get me motivated in life. But I hope you and the rest of the gang are well. I've seen a lot of killer looking corns posted. Amazing so much can begot from 1 snake.

Thanks again.
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Thanks for reading.
Big Tom

www.herpzilla.com

xblackheart May 07, 2007 10:44 AM

Yeah, I havent had time to read that post, so explains why I did not see ya down there.

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****Misty****

www.sneakyserpents.com

"Life is Killing Me"

wisema2297 May 07, 2007 11:01 AM

I agree. There are some very good pet stores out there. Here we have Noah's Pets and Off the Ark. Off the Ark advertises here and has a lot of stuff you just don't see elsewhere. Not to mention he does birthday parties and hosts a "camp" for kids to educate them on reptiles (field trips, ID'ing parasites under microscope from fecal smears, herping, milking venonmous, etc..).

HerpZillA May 07, 2007 01:58 PM

WOW,, sounds like a killer show. I'll presume owner is fairly young? Age has a way to slow ya down.

But sounds like an excellant shop. Wish I was younger and or healthier to do more at my friends. It really is a very tough business.

>>I agree. There are some very good pet stores out there. Here we have Noah's Pets and Off the Ark. Off the Ark advertises here and has a lot of stuff you just don't see elsewhere. Not to mention he does birthday parties and hosts a "camp" for kids to educate them on reptiles (field trips, ID'ing parasites under microscope from fecal smears, herping, milking venonmous, etc..).
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Thanks for reading.
Big Tom

www.herpzilla.com

draybar May 07, 2007 05:07 PM

>>1 I just hate it when people say all pet shops suck (another part of this thread)
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>>2 They complain about shows.
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>>3 They complain about buying on the web, because they can not see what you get.
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>>1 I help an old friend out at his shop. 41 years in the same location, and did herps from day one. Thats 1966! His complaint MIGHT be basement breeders selling stuff, and not paying taxes, or any business expense. Or the web, as he just does not have that ability, and maybe side step the legit arena. Or the crap o corp shops. But he doesn't he just tries to do the best he can.
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>>2 Why complain about shows? You see the animal, you know the guy may or may not be there next month. Especially if you go a lot. Ask him his health guarantee. This one is really at the top of my list for not understanding. You take your chances. Period.
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>>3 Complain about the web? Please, you know you can not actually see an animal, again you take some chances. As with anything. People need to educate themselves and grow up and take responsibility for their own actions.
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>>Pet shops do not suck. Suckie pet shops suck. Usually only as good as the people inside. I've been crap o pets and been amazed at times on the quality of people. Not often, but it has happened. And those employees do not last long as they usually move on.
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>>Shows do not suck. Some sellers may? Cleveland tossed a guy that soaked ball pythons in orange gatorade. This guy also tried to run a shop. It crashed of course. BUT, people knew of him, and still went in? I do not want to hear complaints from those people..
>>Back to show sellers,,Some may be good and sell a good animal and either it is truly an unknown underlying health reason, or maybe the new owner messed up. I really respect the honestly of the few people that come back to me and say, "I screwed up" and I need a replacement. I do as much of a discount as I can because of their honestly on a replacement. If something like a hamster, gerbil, pet rat, etc, I just give them one..
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>>The web is what it is. Buyer beware. Again, if you are going to drop some serious scratch, do some research. Become educate yourself on what you buy.
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>>This is my seasonal vent. I see so many people in the shop we try to explain the proper care of an animal and they just do not listen. If I had a nickel for each minute explaining UVB is NOT heat from a red bulb. And just because a red bulb says reptile does not mean it can live on just it.
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>>I think I expect more from forum people. I'm not sure why? I guess I just have had better conversations here. But that may be due to the higher volume.
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>>Thank for your time.
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Tom,
Pretty good post I would like to begin my post by echoeing your opinion that not all pet shops are bad.
Some are bad, some are great.
It is not fair to instantly lump them all together as bad.
Not fair and definitely not accurate.

Earlier in this thread there was a remark about the price of the corn being way too high.
Yes, it was a little high but the subsequaent post about the cost of getting one via the internet would be about the same, was pretty accurate.. $40.00 snake plus $45.00 shipping and bam there's $85.00.

Now, a lot of people feel as shows are the only way to go...BUT, There are a lot of people that do not have shows close enough to make it worth their while to attend. There are also some shows where you might have a few good vendors and a few not so good vendors. There are times where you might not know what you are getting. Especially newer people to the hobby. They may not know just what questions to ask and exactly what answers they should get. An experienced vendor (good or bad) can easily tell a person what they want to hear. You may get something from a vendor, have a problem with it when you get home and have no way to get back in touch with them.
So, there are good and bad in every aspect of the hobby, you have to work with what's available and try to learn as much as possible so you can recognise and separate the good from the bad
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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"Resistance is futile"
Jimmy Johnson
(Draybar)
Draybars Snakes

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HerpZillA May 07, 2007 06:46 PM

>>Tom,
>> Pretty good post I would like to begin my post by echoeing your opinion that not all pet shops are bad.
>>Some are bad, some are great.
>>It is not fair to instantly lump them all together as bad.
>>Not fair and definitely not accurate.
>>
>>Earlier in this thread there was a remark about the price of the corn being way too high.
>>Yes, it was a little high but the subsequaent post about the cost of getting one via the internet would be about the same, was pretty accurate.. $40.00 snake plus $45.00 shipping and bam there's $85.00.
>>
>>Now, a lot of people feel as shows are the only way to go...BUT, There are a lot of people that do not have shows close enough to make it worth their while to attend. There are also some shows where you might have a few good vendors and a few not so good vendors. There are times where you might not know what you are getting. Especially newer people to the hobby. They may not know just what questions to ask and exactly what answers they should get. An experienced vendor (good or bad) can easily tell a person what they want to hear. You may get something from a vendor, have a problem with it when you get home and have no way to get back in touch with them.
>>So, there are good and bad in every aspect of the hobby, you have to work with what's available and try to learn as much as possible so you can recognise and separate the good from the bad
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Totally agree. I did not say much about shows but in many ways if you have shows around you pay less for most stuff. It means you have private breeders, and shops willing to do shows.

I get a call every Thursday from a wholesaler. I tell him his prices are to high. He's amazed at what we pay for a few things. but as I tell him, there is a large herp community in the greater Cleveland area that has been around for 50 years.
That makes the Columbus and Cleveland shows work.

Since my friend owns a shop, of course I would like to see less shows. Maybe, as I vacillate between the idea they steal business, or do they create more? Probably like everything else, depends on the market, sellers, and the type of people going to shows. I do not mean that in a bad way, as I often go. And will admit I often buy a few things for the shop.

It is all extremely extraordinarily variable. Market studies would be nice.

I've been waiting to see mobile shows. Or rotate locations.

Good topic though.
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Thanks for reading.
Big Tom

www.herpzilla.com

phiber_optikx May 07, 2007 11:17 PM

Of course the show will provide more business for the shop. In a few weeks when they can't figure out what they need for their reptile because they didn't think to learn about what they bought where will they turn? They will need more substrate, food, uvb, decorations, etc. These have a much higher mar up than the reptiles themselves.If you know your stuff then people can tell.
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.1 Snow Corn "Hope"
1. Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Chunk" (Goonies)
.1 Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Peaches"
.1 MO Locale Black Ratsnake "Molly" (Flogging Molly)

"Have you ever tried simply turning off the T.V., sitting down with your kids... and hitting them?"

HerpZillA May 07, 2007 11:29 PM

True, but mark up in the opposite. Uusally more on herps. I think it is a carry over from long ago when you lost a lot of EC.

Tanks are teh least mark up 30% at best
Fish food 70%
stock maybe 100% at Best.

>>Of course the show will provide more business for the shop. In a few weeks when they can't figure out what they need for their reptile because they didn't think to learn about what they bought where will they turn? They will need more substrate, food, uvb, decorations, etc. These have a much higher mar up than the reptiles themselves.If you know your stuff then people can tell.
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>>.1 Snow Corn "Hope"
>> 1. Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Chunk" (Goonies)
>>.1 Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Peaches"
>>.1 MO Locale Black Ratsnake "Molly" (Flogging Molly)
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>>"Have you ever tried simply turning off the T.V., sitting down with your kids... and hitting them?"
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Thanks for reading.
Big Tom

www.herpzilla.com

phiber_optikx May 07, 2007 11:32 PM

True, but they will only buy that corn snake once.... How many mice and bags of substrate will they buy?
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.1 Snow Corn "Hope"
1. Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Chunk" (Goonies)
.1 Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Peaches"
.1 MO Locale Black Ratsnake "Molly" (Flogging Molly)

"Have you ever tried simply turning off the T.V., sitting down with your kids... and hitting them?"

HerpZillA May 08, 2007 12:09 AM

Myabe I mislead you? I'm good at that.

Shops are clearly needed. Like ours, our bread and butter are live feed. But how long can you make it on that?
crap o pets will beat any mom and pop shop on stock prices. Like walmart beats all other, or most other small biz's.

I'll bet I spend at least 1 hour of each day answering questions about critters that people bought else where. We work in, where did you get your herp? didn't they supply a care sheet or go over care. Thay have the marbles to plain out say, no they had no idea, they said to call you.

Then they actually get upset if I have an actual customer in the store that wants to buy something! Sad, just sad.

But it is a sign of the times. Customer service is being tossed out the window.

I always say i'm no herp expert, i just try to give a nice honest idea of care. And if I do not know, I do not make stuff up.

Well I am an expert on box turtle populations in my county, but that is it.
(inside joke)

>>True, but they will only buy that corn snake once.... How many mice and bags of substrate will they buy?
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>>.1 Snow Corn "Hope"
>> 1. Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Chunk" (Goonies)
>>.1 Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Peaches"
>>.1 MO Locale Black Ratsnake "Molly" (Flogging Molly)
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>>"Have you ever tried simply turning off the T.V., sitting down with your kids... and hitting them?"
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Thanks for reading.
Big Tom

www.herpzilla.com

pinky May 07, 2007 07:55 AM

Striped Ultra Lavender Motley? How good looking are they?

PHWyvern May 07, 2007 01:47 PM

ok.. nice hypothetical game

1 male and 1 female Normal corn snake. Assume they were purchased as babies and paid $20 each, so $40 for two baby snakes. You got lucky and go them CHEAP (no tacked on shipping costs and other stuff).

Food costs vary. Most people with only 2 snakes are not going to buy food in bulk-frozen so they will go to a pet store or find a friend to split mail order costs. Anyway, let's just assume an average ball park figure is that it would cost an average of $100 to feed 1 snake for 1 year. Give those two snakes say 3 years to reach a nice safe breeding size....so 3 years of food for 2 snakes = $600

Typical pet owner would house the babies in a 10 gallon tank (they are cheap and easy to come by compared to more expensive custom/specialty cages). Since many corn snake experts insist that snakes be housed separately to prevent "accidents", our hypothetical owner purchases 2 tanks for their babies. Then there are all the necessary accessories that go along with it..substrate, lights, water bowls, tank lids, etc. Assume each set up cost oh.. about $100. So, 2 complete baby tank sets = $200.

Over the course of 3 years, baby snakes grow up, more substrate is purchased, etc. It's also time to up the tank size. For economics sake, assume each snake was moved up to a 20 gallon tank. Add in another $200 for these upgrades and maint. costs.

Ok, babies all grown up. Time to start breeding. Let's buy nesting boxes, nesting material, incubator, etc. Add in another $100.

You've already put in an estimated $1,140 into these two snakes over the course of 3 years and have yet to figure in the 3-year cost of the heating, electric, & water bills, your time in cleaning cages, feeding, gas/driving, etc needed to help support your pet owning activities. For convenience sake, figure $100 per year (it's probably higher though).

Now we are at about $1,440 to maintain 2 snakes over 3 years. Some things may have been overestimated, but others were grossly underestimated, so this figure more or less balances itself out. There really is no way to be fully accurate here due to the many options available and ever-changing prices and choices different people tend to make.

Ok, average clutch size for a corn snake is a 12 eggs. Assume by some lucky chance your snake double clutched during her first year at breeding, expect maybe another 8 eggs. 20 eggs total in one season. Assume all babies survive to hatch out nice and healthy. Remember, these are NORMAL corn snakes - no fancy morph or hets or anything.

To attempt to break even for all that you put into your 2 snakes over 3 years -- you decide to sell the 20 babies. To do this....the price you would have to set would have to be $72 for each baby.

Is it any wonder why you CAN'T make a profit off them?

Who in their right mind would want to pay that much from a no-name first time hobbyist breeder? Then don't forget, the longer it takes you to sell those babies, you still have to support them with caging, accessories, food, etc. What if you sell to someone who wants them shipped? The price goes up over the $100 mark for that normal baby corn. If you give any of the snakes away, you are putting yourself deeper into the hole instead of trying to break even like you hoped.

You think you can continue to breed for a few more years and it might all magically work out.. not likely. You still are maintaining those 2 adult snakes, food costs, heating bills, maint. costs, etc. plus you are also supporting any babies that you didn't sell the previous year or perhaps you held some back to raise some up to breed in the future so as to expand your colony beyond just 2 adult snakes.

You sell to a pet store.. heck they have their overhead costs to think about too. They are actually out to make a profit. They are going to want your snakes as cheap as possible in order to give them a reasonable mark-up. You can also be sure a lot of pet stores DO add in what it cost them to have the animals shipped to them in the first place. And again, they still have to support that animal until it is sold. There is no guarantee it will sell within a week or two.

Unless someone is lucky enough to be at the top of the pyramid scheme of a high demand, low supply animal where you can justify upping the price of the animal to meet and exceed your operating costs, there is just no money to be had in selling animals.

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PHWyvern

HerpZillA May 07, 2007 02:24 PM

I'll be sure NOT to post this at our shop! lol.

I think you hit on some reasons though shops are more expensive. OVERHEAD. Kill off all mom and pop shops and we are left with crap o pets and the web. I'll usually take the web even though I can see COP's animals. Shows too.

I don't think people enter it to make money. They start off wanting something different. 90% of the people see that SERIOUSLY want a turtle, end up buying a leo gecko. Little Leo grows up and Big Leo (the owner), has spend a year going to pet shops asking questions and maybe at shows, and probably hits google 10 million times.

So, now big Leo and his kids he bought the little leo for want to breed. Or at least interested in it.

Now the divide. Is it a person, that likes what he has and is doing it as a hobby? Or is he the guy that sees he paid $50 for a leo, when babies wholesale at $15?

First guy that just likes the hobby, keeps little leo and maybe a little leoette until they die of old age at 18.

Second guy, buys 20 females, 3 super double reverse hets, from a show, and WANTS his hobby to pay his mortgage. Then at a show while trying to sell his leos next to 20 more people with them, he sees RAINBOW BOAS. Now he finds out snakes are so much easier to care for than lizards. Although he really likes lizards more, he says damn it it is a business venture!

Sells off all his leos to buy RAINBOWs. !!! time warp forward about 3 years.

Second person, actually stayed with RAINBOWS, but dropped some good scratch on a few more project to diversify his portfolio.
He's at a show selling RAINBOWS with 4 other guy??? Where'd they come from he asks?, they were not her 3 years ago?

This is parallel herp rotation evolution. Different people jumping ship on what they had, to a similar herp of others.

With a lot of money invested not to mention time, he scans the show and sees CALICO VIETNAMESE DWARF RETICS, selling like mad at only 2 tables.

Guess where this goes in 3 more years?

I'm a Taoist at heart. Balance in life means everything.
I not only respect but admire the few that can keep there herp "biz" on the side of other real life ventures, or can stick with the same thing long enough to make a name for themselves, until the herp cycle of life comes back around to him, so he can make some money.

The End
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Thanks for reading.
Big Tom

www.herpzilla.com

PHWyvern May 07, 2007 05:39 PM

>>Second person, actually stayed with RAINBOWS, but dropped some good scratch on a few more project to diversify his portfolio.
>>He's at a show selling RAINBOWS with 4 other guy??? Where'd they come from he asks?, they were not her 3 years ago?
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>>This is parallel herp rotation evolution. Different people jumping ship on what they had, to a similar herp of others.
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>>With a lot of money invested not to mention time, he scans the show and sees CALICO VIETNAMESE DWARF RETICS, selling like mad at only 2 tables.
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>>Guess where this goes in 3 more years?
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>>I'm a Taoist at heart. Balance in life means everything.
>>I not only respect but admire the few that can keep there herp "biz" on the side of other real life ventures, or can stick with the same thing long enough to make a name for themselves, until the herp cycle of life comes back around to him, so he can make some money.
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ha exactly. Same with lizards. First it was leo geckos... high demand, high price. Next thing you know.. you see them on every table at herp shows. Everyone had jumped on the band wagon. Prices start plummeting (heck I can get a nice baby leo now for $10-15 !). Some of them breeders/hobbyists bailed and move on to the next big thing.. fancy beardie morphs and crested geckos! Now you see them on many a table at herp shows. That's one of the problems with animals that potentially breed like rabbits. Supply more often than not catches up to the demand and then surpasses it. To stay 'competitive' you have to undercut the next guy. You get to the point where even a hobbyist in it for the fun can't make a dime to help offset his hobby costs.

Like I said.. most of it plays out like a pyramid scheme. IF you don't start out at the top or near the top, you don't win.

Me... I'm gonna breed mouse/rat eating eastern hognoses.. Got me 2.1 and the males should be able to breed next season. Maybe I can make enough money off their babies to offset the ton of cash I've dumped into investing in my other venture -- breeding some high quality tarantulas. Gonna be rich yup. sure am. LOL. (or at least hope to make enough to pay off my car).... Of course like any good business person I do have a back up plan but I'd prefer to save it as it's really my retirement plan (a moderately extensive comic book collection).

Cripes, I think I can really only hope I can just make enough to break even on what I originally spent on them 8-legged spiders LOL. I sure has hell have put more money into buying certain individual spiders than I ever would have paid for individual snakes. Some people would have a heart attack on how much they cost me. eek.


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HerpZillA May 07, 2007 07:38 PM

Yes you must be in early on trendy herps.

Good luck on Eastern hogs. Nice project. Maybe think about southerns too, if you have luck. Both very nice snakes.
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HerpZillA May 07, 2007 03:06 PM

lol OK, I expected more to respond to your post. Or is the forum that slow these days?
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PHWyvern May 07, 2007 05:15 PM

>>lol OK, I expected more to respond to your post. Or is the forum that slow these days?
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It's still early. People haven't gotten home from school/work. LOL
My excuse is that it's my day off.
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xblackheart May 08, 2007 09:50 AM

LMAO.
I didn't respond because I thought you two were covering it rather well, back and forth! lol.
The forum is rather slow lately. Thought it might pick up with all the egg posts like last year. Didn't seem to happen too much. Maybe when eggs hatch?!!!!
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xblackheart May 08, 2007 09:57 AM

that I know of is the ONLY pet store in the area that supplies snakes. The owner charges $89.00 for all corn snakes as hatchlings and more if they are older!
She has no one to compete with, so if someone wants a snake, they pay that price.
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HerpZillA May 08, 2007 11:08 AM

I do not mean to be mean. But that is good business. $89 is super high on a baby. But how big is the market there? Maybe it is only big enough to support 1 petshop?

Read my site, I live in a place I call Hooterville. I love it, but when I first came here, if someone had a corner on the market, well, they had a corner on the market.

Maybe politely explain that they may make more money selling for less, as to complete a little with web and shows. Plus they would sell more tanks, lids, lights(a come back item), and food.

Or, walk in and say HOLY CRAP $89!!!!!!! Giggle a bit and walk away. Yes this is jejune in nature, but it can make an impact. I know I have done it in store. All but the giggle part.
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wisema2297 May 08, 2007 05:55 PM

That's nothing. Went to Fin and Feather here in Richmond, VA and they had a normal western hog hatchling for $160!! Thats a little extreme. I get them at the shows all day long for $40. I think next show I'll by all the baby westerns and flip them to the pet store. They said they would pay me $65 for western hatchlings!!

wisema2297 May 08, 2007 05:57 PM

Fin and Feather may have high prices but they are a VERY good and well run pet store witht a nice reptile room. Just wanted to be fair to them!!

HerpZillA May 08, 2007 10:23 PM

Some shops like ours at times, gets stuck on one wholesaler. If they are high on hognose, they may not have any idea of average value. You just lose track of some stuff.
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