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I was in LA this weekend and picked up this little guy. A 2006 sunglow boa. WOW this guy is loaded with color.

Chester:

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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
20.28 BRB
14.18 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

the Cheeto is loaded with color Dave, congrats on your pickup and nice photos as usual
Bob

Gorgeous little snake! Sunglows would be the Morph to get me into BCs.
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Danielle

Herps:
1.0 BRB
1.0 Amel Motley Corn
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Other critters:
1.0 Great Dane
1.0 Siamese
1 Senegal Parrot
1 Blue Fronted Amazon

hahahahaha, Chester... that's awesome! He really IS the color of cheetos!
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65 animals... and the number keeps growing!

Dave you are a bad influence, I MUST get a male sunglow, could you please explain the genetics, that's obviously more that a mere albino, what's the other gene that makes sunglow's more than an albino phenotype ?
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

Frank -
sunglows are double allele mutations made from hypo x albino crosses.

BTW.. Great looking addition Dave!!

>>Dave you are a bad influence, I MUST get a male sunglow, could you please explain the genetics, that's obviously more that a mere albino, what's the other gene that makes sunglow's more than an albino phenotype ?
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>>Thanks,
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>>Frank Roberts
>>Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research
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Thanks guys!!

Like Tim said they are a combination of hypo (salmon) and albino, the hypo influence increases the amount of red (kind of exchanges red for some of the black) while the albino takes away the black. Leaving a red and yellow animal with significantly more red.

This guy is awesome, don't know where he is in shed cycle but there is a ton of red and pink all over him. Might just be a coral sunglow. Or maybe a pastel sunglow. Any way you look at it, he's stunning. He does have a wee bit of attitude which might be why he was still available. np, I'll either tame him down or deal with his attitude.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
20.28 BRB
14.18 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

my friend Jim was up from alabama and snaped a few pics.....

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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

Haha, I love how all those pictures are of large snakes.... but then there is an eeety beeety one in the middle. Beautiful animals!
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

Nice pics Frank, beautiful animals you have there.

Please stop showing them off though, I already have enough to keep me busy for a lifetime! Don't need to get interested in any morre projects if ya know what I mean!!
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
20.28 BRB
14.18 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

...
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

what is #2 and #5? They look like boas in the head but pythons in the body so are they blood pythons? Probably a dumb question but the dumbest ? is the one never asked I always thought lol AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH is that a yellowhead cuz he sure has a yellow head haha but serious? Loved the pics Frank and forever borrow his camera so I can see some more pics if u don't mind
Bob

yep, they're bloods the smaller of the two is a Sumatran, I've got one of those!

that's my 18 month old female, right after she ate a large rat... she's the CRAZIEST snake I have!
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65 animals... and the number keeps growing!

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as you have been informed, they are blood pythons, the albino retic is a albino yellowhead, and I must buy a camera, I have 53 snakes so there's much more to see. Thanks
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

Whoa!! Very cool! What a perfect name as well. That guy has some POP!
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Thanks for looking and all the kind words, Chester sure is a looker. I have an equally good looker in mind for his main squeeze.....

Jasmine:

She's an arabesque albino so there are a total of three morph traits involved and due to the genetics, if Chester is a regular sunglow (het for Hypo) and not a "super" sunglow (Homozygous for hypo) then the babies would fall into four possible phenotypes each with a 25% probability:

Sunglow arabesque (OMG, that woud be amazing)
Sunglow (like Daddy)
Arabesque albino (like Mommy)
Albino (still beautiful)
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
20.28 BRB
14.18 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Hey Dave..

I am not on top of the genetics in boas.. so I am not nit-picking, just curious. Isn't hypo a co-dom trait w/ boa constrictors? and the super-hypo being a dominant trait produced by two hypo animals?

So it would not be possible for a het right?

"if Chester is a regular sunglow (het for Hypo) and not a "super" sunglow (Homozygous for hypo)"
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btw... chester is a lucky man.. she is a fox
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Defnately one of my favs.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
20.28 BRB
14.18 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Actually a VERY common genetics mistake in the snake community. Forgive me if I simplify too much or go too far in depth no offense intended at all, I just love the genetic riddle

Monogenic traits (single gene pair) except for VERY rare circumstances only have two possible genes for the given gene pair. Therefore there are technically four possible gene pairings listed as sire/dam - normal/normal, normal/morph, morph/normal and morph/morph. Of course the normal/morph and morph/normal are equivalent.

Phenotype is the visual look, using albinism as an example, either normal in appearance or albino.

Genotype is the actual genetics involved. Using albinism again, there are three phenotypes: Normal, albino and het for albino.

Heterozygous or het is used to describe any pair where the two genes are different aka normal/morph

Homozygous is used to describe any pair where both the genes are the same aka morph/morph OR normal/normal. Yes, the term can be used to say homozygous normal but pretty much assumed if no morph status given.

Recessive indicates weaker expression to the normal gene. Recessive traits like albinism requires both genes to be morph genes for that trait to show.

Dominant indicates stronger expression than the normal gene. Dominant traits like hypo in boas will show if one or both genes are morph genes. There are only two distinguishable phenotypes for dominant traits normal and morph.

Codominant traits are similar to dominant EXCEPT there are three phenotypes. Perfect example is the Motley morph:
Normal/normal = normal phenotype
Normal/Motley = Motley phenotype
Motley/Motley = Purple patternless (in herper slang, Super motley)

Hypo is technically classified as dominant since in a pile of babies with some being het and some homozygous, you cannot clearly and accurately discern which is which.

Many herpers call a homozygous hypo animal a "dominant hypo" since all of it's babies by default will have at least one gene regardless of what genes the other parent carries. Many debates have been held over this and IMO clearly this is incorrect usage of the term dominant.

Clear as mud?
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
20.28 BRB
14.18 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Gotcha.. for some reason I had it stuck in my head that to be "het" was carrying the gene, but showing it visable.. It makes since though that it wouldn't have to be that way.

Learn something new everyday.. thanks!!

>>Actually a VERY common genetics mistake in the snake community. Forgive me if I simplify too much or go too far in depth no offense intended at all, I just love the genetic riddle
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>>Monogenic traits (single gene pair) except for VERY rare circumstances only have two possible genes for the given gene pair. Therefore there are technically four possible gene pairings listed as sire/dam - normal/normal, normal/morph, morph/normal and morph/morph. Of course the normal/morph and morph/normal are equivalent.
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>>Phenotype is the visual look, using albinism as an example, either normal in appearance or albino.
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>>Genotype is the actual genetics involved. Using albinism again, there are three phenotypes: Normal, albino and het for albino.
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>>Heterozygous or het is used to describe any pair where the two genes are different aka normal/morph
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>>Homozygous is used to describe any pair where both the genes are the same aka morph/morph OR normal/normal. Yes, the term can be used to say homozygous normal but pretty much assumed if no morph status given.
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>>Recessive indicates weaker expression to the normal gene. Recessive traits like albinism requires both genes to be morph genes for that trait to show.
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>>Dominant indicates stronger expression than the normal gene. Dominant traits like hypo in boas will show if one or both genes are morph genes. There are only two distinguishable phenotypes for dominant traits normal and morph.
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>>Codominant traits are similar to dominant EXCEPT there are three phenotypes. Perfect example is the Motley morph:
>>Normal/normal = normal phenotype
>>Normal/Motley = Motley phenotype
>>Motley/Motley = Purple patternless (in herper slang, Super motley)
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>>Hypo is technically classified as dominant since in a pile of babies with some being het and some homozygous, you cannot clearly and accurately discern which is which.
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>>Many herpers call a homozygous hypo animal a "dominant hypo" since all of it's babies by default will have at least one gene regardless of what genes the other parent carries. Many debates have been held over this and IMO clearly this is incorrect usage of the term dominant.
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>>Clear as mud?
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>>Thanks,
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>>Dave Colling
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>>www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com
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>>0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
>>0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)
>>
>>LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
>>20.28 BRB
>>14.18 BCI
>>And those are only the breeders
>>
>>lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats
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photos.xtremecombatsports.com

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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research