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Something a little different here is one of my Roatan fire belly boas. Roatan is largest of the Bahia Islands off the coast of Honduras. These boas are best know and get their name from the intense red color the have on their belly’s I have been working with them for a couple of years and will finally produce a litter this year. Its been difficult to fine pure 100% roatan boa’s but It’s been worth it as you can see the results of my search.

Those really are some nice boas. Beautiful. Never heard of them. Good luck.
Brendan

Most likely because there is no such thing as a Roatan Firebelly!

Not one stitch of documentation proveing a red belly bci was ever collected from that Island.
The label "Roatan Firebelly" was coined as a market ploy by Dennis Sargent,sadly many people got conned into the gig when Brandon(Ricky) Lockett(which was the first to produce since Dennis sold out the project)in 04 and 05 further continueing the lie of the Roatan BCI ssp when selling both of his litters to unknowing customers.Granted Ricky was only going on what he believed was the truth presented by Dennis.
Since then lots of leg work and investigating have resulted in proveing Dennis Sargent as the "FLAKE" he is well known to be.

TnK

>>Those really are some nice boas. Beautiful. Never heard of them. Good luck.
>>Brendan

There are a few Hondurans running around here,here are about 8-9 different animals in different phases to show you how cool they really are.
Please Enjoy !

TnK

looks like you are having more luck finding hondurans than I am. Im currently in the proces of upping my number of hondurans to 0.2 I just need a male and Ill be set lol. Ill have two breedable females for this next season.

Absolutely stunning and the darker the better for me loved the irridescence too
Bob

So who has them avalible? I would like a couple.

Nice snakes m-colvin.

Thanks for the info and Picts TnK,

There is not that much info going around on the Honduran Fire Belly

I have been trying to buy some Honduran Fire Belly Boas for the last while, and they are difficult to come by, not that many people breed them, and less have produced clutches, including this year.
I'm keeping my fingers crossed as to getting a pair at some point, something in the lines of that intense red one you show in the outdoor Picts TnK
That coloration of snake makes my blood boil in the right way

What type info ?
As far as standard collection data(CITIES etc) there is none
as the majority of them were smuggled in by 3 different guys over a period of acouple years.
That whole "Dennis Sargent" thing is what has to stop.He has no real right to claim anything exclusive. He purchased animals from another breeder (WHO WAS FIRST TO REPRODUCE THEM)and then was successful at breeding those animals into acouple of litters.
The whole thing basically started at Daytona and the urband "Roatan Isle" legend was born.He has no claim to fame in many peoples mind,but selling animals you produce entiltles you to name them whatever you want,LYING ABOUT Collection locales are the main point here.
Getting support from big name breeders that post false information on their web-sites supporting/praiseing Dennis Sargent for his efforts only adds to the false data people are lead to believe as the truth.
Where do we go with this line in uncertain,the need for proper
understanding of the TRUTH is primary at this point.

Contact Dennis Sargent and ask him if what I post here is not the TRUTH.He has confessed to the locale lie and acts as if nothing is wrong with it.People have made investments and are now left felling pretty well ripped-off,many have dumped their projects and long since moved away from the whole mess.

One of the most intense bci ssp known has to have this type of history/stigma only tarnishs its rightfull position and respect do to one greedy person and their quest for "fame and fortune".

Plenty more can and most likely will be said ......

TnK

>>>>There is not that much info going around on the Honduran Fire Belly
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http://www.boa-constrictors.com/com/com.html The "Firebellies" link on the side of the site is what I was trying to link.

Anyway. And I am just trying to make sure I understand you clearly.
No red-bellied BCI were documented collected from Roatan Island. Is that what you are saying?

Now, is Dennis' line from Roatan Island?

I know there are no Honduran Firebellies. People seem to have pulled that name from somewhere since Roatan Island is off the coast of Honduras.

Most island boas came into the US either from smuggling or researchers who collected them themselves.

If Dennis did have pure Roatan Island boas and bred them and some had red bellies, can't he then give it a name. Most "morphs" pop up this way.

Were you just saying that they shouldn't be named after him since he didn't breed them first? There are quite a few other morphs I know of that got named after the big breeders who took them on after someone else (lost in the limelight) proved them genetic.

I am NOT contesting the information you posted, I am only trying to get my own information straight. Thanks for the help.
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http://www.GilbertBoas.com/

>>http://www.boa-constrictors.com/com/com.html The "Firebellies" link on the side of the site is what I was trying to link.
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>>Anyway. And I am just trying to make sure I understand you clearly.
>>No red-bellied BCI were documented collected from Roatan Island. Is that what you are saying?
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>>Now, is Dennis' line from Roatan Island?
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>>I know there are no Honduran Firebellies. People seem to have pulled that name from somewhere since Roatan Island is off the coast of Honduras.
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>>http://www.GilbertBoas.com/

Actually, in an effort to track the history of My Firebelly male, I talked to Dennis Sargent on the phone and he told me directly that he could not prove the so called "Roatan" firebelly actually came from Roatan. And that he was indeed the first to call them that.

Make of it what you will. But that's straight from him to me. Not trying to dis him in anyway, but that term has led to a lot of confusion and one hell of a mess.
If I remember correctly, Bob Harding was the first to work with these beautiful Boas. 10 years before Dennis if I remember correctly.

Another fact, YES, you can get Honduran mainland Boas that share the same trait. Ask Vincent Russo.
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Thanks for that bit of info.

I am aware of mainland Hondurans that show the same coloration. I just never thought it was fit to call them the same name because that was given to "Roatan" boas. It now appears that the whole thing is just a big mess.
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http://www.GilbertBoas.com/

Thank Dennis Sargent for the mess.
People like Hermann with bogus info posted only fuels the fire and in no way positive supports either Dennis or himself,it proves them out IMO.
Personally I believe it needs to be removed,even at the time it was posted(new back in 04)it was very incorrect apart from the now known truth in regards to locale and who should be credited if credit is due.Mr Bob Harding could give a rats asset as to what anyone with-in the hobby does or thinks,he's not part of it. He is his own man and has been for many years.

Bottomline is still......

NO ROATAN Island BCI or any "pure"or documented locale exsist in Culture.
Plenty of Honduran bci with red ventrals yes.Unless anyone can prove outside of hear say,they indeed have animals from the 2 litters he produced himself,then everything else is to be credited to Mr Bob Harding and rightfully so.Not much will come of that because they were scattered all over the country/world.
IMO they all trace straight back to Mr Harding and his efforts,credit(s) is the last thing Dennis Sargent has comeing.

TnK

>>Thanks for that bit of info.
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>>I am aware of mainland Hondurans that show the same coloration. I just never thought it was fit to call them the same name because that was given to "Roatan" boas. It now appears that the whole thing is just a big mess.
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>>http://www.GilbertBoas.com/

are you just saying that there are no boas with CITES from the island?

CITES are issued by the governing country. Unless Roatan Island (or rather the island chain) has its own government I would think even boas from the Island would be sent out from Honduras.
CITES papers also do not denote subspecies. They are really one of the weakest things to determine locality. The only thing on there is the country from which the boa was exported. For example, if someone had a CBB boa exported from the US to Europe the European keeper would have a copy of the export papers from the US, that doesn't make it a US boa.

This problem does occur with Sabogae. The documented stock are CBB in Costa Rica (for those not bred in the US or Europe), so the CITES for sabogae look the same as Costa Rican imperator. Some Sabogae are reported to come in on shipments from Panama, just stuck in with Panamanian boas. Again the CITES there just say Boa constrictor, and Panama. I have boas from CR and Panama with such CITES so that's why I am using those examples.
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http://www.GilbertBoas.com/

I understand Cities as well as how animals are processed into the USA,as well as a few other means outside common knowledge.

Im saying there isnt a soul liveing that can prove these Honduran BCI came from "ANY WHERE" with in the bounadries of Honduras, muchless Island specific like Dennis tried to float.
I would highly question anyone trying to prove the locale of "any" Honduran form BCI in culture today. They were all smuggled into the USA under radar along with other substances of less then legal status
Russo and Crutchfield and acouple others all report several trips to that island without seeing any red belly bci.What few were found all had the gray'ish ventrals(much cleaner/less speckled)uniform saddles with even peaks that were almost white.
Many trips resulted in no confirmed sightings of BCI.

An agreed "Island location" with confirmed captures of red ventral BCI(not imports and nothing to the degree of color we know them now) were from Big Utila and the Corn Islands.

Many speculations between the known Corn Isle and incorrectly labeled Roatans are one and the same form of BCI. Can this be argued ? Surely !! Can either side WIN Conclusively ?
NOT A CHANCE IN HELL !!Put them thru any test you care to and
they are EXACTLY the same.Im mean to the letter "same"!
No diluted reference to "likeness" has a chance.

next .....

TnK

>>are you just saying that there are no boas with CITES from the island?
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>>CITES are issued by the governing country. Unless Roatan Island (or rather the island chain) has its own government I would think even boas from the Island would be sent out from Honduras.
>>CITES papers also do not denote subspecies. They are really one of the weakest things to determine locality. The only thing on there is the country from which the boa was exported. For example, if someone had a CBB boa exported from the US to Europe the European keeper would have a copy of the export papers from the US, that doesn't make it a US boa.
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>>This problem does occur with Sabogae. The documented stock are CBB in Costa Rica (for those not bred in the US or Europe), so the CITES for sabogae look the same as Costa Rican imperator. Some Sabogae are reported to come in on shipments from Panama, just stuck in with Panamanian boas. Again the CITES there just say Boa constrictor, and Panama. I have boas from CR and Panama with such CITES so that's why I am using those examples.
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>>http://www.GilbertBoas.com/

Thanks for the insight on the Honduran boas. I don't own any personally. Things like this are the primary reason I have very few locale animals, proof is hard to find.
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http://www.GilbertBoas.com/

Even the so called proof shouldnt be accepted just because
someone is a known breeder,supplier ect.Ive been shown that a few
"VERY WELL KNOWN" members of the hobby have been doing less then reputable "things"in order to set themselves in a market nitche'
Things like these Hondurans and a few other locale lines "Should have" been pressed many years back but never were based on the particular persons accepted postion.

This firebelly thing is a prime example of how a known member of the hobby when unchecked and still allowed to be reconized as a "reputable contributor" in the Boa buisness.

Explain the difference(s) between,
A Smuggler importing animals
A breeder selling animals as locale specific which are not bred true to the fact.
People that support the continuance of both parties activities.

TnK

>>Thanks for the insight on the Honduran boas. I don't own any personally. Things like this are the primary reason I have very few locale animals, proof is hard to find.
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>>http://www.GilbertBoas.com/

come on!

you certainly have some nice ones there , how many do you have ?