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How long do they keep and what is the appropriate husbandry requirements for them. Do you need to gutload them? PHLdyPayne sorry but the link yougave me I forgot to write it down. Sorry!!!
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Okay I found one site that sells these guys. 25.00 for 600 worms. Is that reasonable or can I find them anyplace cheaper that is reputable??? Also for a 6-7 inch dragon what size is appropriate and are these a substitute for crix?????
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actually pheonix worms are cheap...600 worms for 25 bucks is really cheap.

they are not a replacement for crickets that i know of. they are worthless to feed for larger dragons because they are so small. a full grown pheonix worm is only like 3/4 of an inch long.

the replacement feeder for crickets are ROACHES. dubia, discoids, hissers, lobsters, etc are all roaches that are normally fed to dragons, and kept by most roach breeders. i myself have been getting into breeding them now. they have less shell *chitin* than most feeders, more meat, less water, which makes them fill your dragons belly faster with less feeders. do some research on them and you will see. i no longer use crickets at all. 3-4 dubia roaches replace 15-25 crickets. they dont get loose around the house *if kept properly*, dont smell, no noise. some do climb glass and plastic but easily stopped by BUGSTOP or BUGBOUNDRY.

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Beach Beardies

2.2. bearded dragons
1.1. Sugar Gliders
0.2. Felines *queen athena and missy*

I'm very suspect about Phoenix Worms and certainly would not feed them as a primary staple. Stick with the crickets or roaches (hope your happy beach beardie. lol.) as primary until your dragon is mostly full grown (16"ish). Remember that prey should be no longer than the distance between a dragons eyes.

haha BDLVR, yes im very happy thanks you =)
ive just found roaches have been alot better than crickets. my dragons tend to ignore crickets as they get older, they are bored of them. these roaches, jeeeeez, its like bearded dragon crack or something. i swear they wouldnt stop eating them if the had the chance.
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Beach Beardies

2.2. bearded dragons
1.1. Sugar Gliders
0.2. Felines *queen athena and missy*

phoenix worms are best for hatchlin and young dragons. they are too small for adult dragons but find as a treat for them.

I wouldn't use these as the exclusive insect food for dragons, but they are great in addition to crickets, roaches, butterworms, silkworms and other regular feeders for bearded dragons. Nutritionly these larvae of the black soldier fly are quite well balanced for bearded dragons and many other insect eating reptiles. I did a fair bit of research on these insects when they first came out (or when I first heard of them anyway) and haven't had any problems with them.

they can be stored in the fridge for months but pupate fast if you leave them at room temperature. there is no need to feed them anything if kept refrigerated. the bedding they come in they eat and thrive in. I suggest buying small or medium phoenix worms as the large tend to pupate faster or are almost already pupated and in this form they are rather hard to digest and not good as feeders. Pupate or coccoon is reddish brown in color. the worms themselves are pale off white, much like typical maggets but smaller.
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PHLdyPayne

Phoenix Worms can't tolerate temps. below 50. So they cannot be refrigerated.

http://www.phoenixworm.com/servlet/the-template/faq/Page

Oh drat..I keep mixing up phoenix worms with butterworms. Sorry for the confusion
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PHLdyPayne

I have read up on the roaches and silkworms...I've been to Mulberry Farms website, and The Phoenix Worm Store page..Any other good links for roach breeders???? Thanks again..

-Keith
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