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I know I've posted several Ghost BCI pics lately but I have some more. My fourth ghost, a recent acquisition, came in mid shed. Well, this weekend he shed so I have some shiny new pics of him. While I'm at it, I'll show all 2.2 ghosts.

This is Boo, he's a 2005 Boa Basement produced pos-homozygous Ghost. He's my receent acquisition that just shed:

My other male, Casper is also a recent acquisition, a 2006 pos-homozygous Ghost produced by Hall of fame herps.

What's a male without a girlfriend....lonely!

Vanilla is a 2005 pos homozygous ghost also produced by boabasement

And last is Spirit, a pos homozygous ghost produced by Chris Perry:

A also have several other boas that could easily fit into the ghost projects to eventually produce moonglows.

York, male Albino het anery 2004

Fireball, male TH Moonglow

Sierra, female Albino Pos het anery 5/27/2005

Tootsie, female Anery Het Albino 04/21/2005

Thanks for looking
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com
0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
20.28 BRB
16.18 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Ooohh... those are pretty. York reminds me of butter... love the creamy yellow!
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Thanks Aubrey, I'm pratial to the albinos as well but I like them with lots of red, not just yellow.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com
0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
20.28 BRB
16.18 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

one. I purchased this below blood as a Red Blood, but have seen similar colored borneos, what is this.

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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

blood since it hatched and it just keeps changing colors, looks copper like in coloration, I thought it was a red or perhaps a yellow blood when it was younger, I forsee it changing colors a lot before hitting adult length. I didn't think it was a borneo because it looked alot different as a neonate. Much different than neonate borneos that I have seen, But who knows? Hopefully one of you?
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

it could be a borneo short tail, but I don't think so, and I would say you just have a fairly light Sumatran.

Thanks Frank, I have no idea on the bloods, still lookc cool.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com
0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
20.28 BRB
16.18 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Dave your picture taking skills are nice but having top notch animals doesn't hurt the situation one bit either Loved the close up of Casper and pictures like these help me learn the difference in possible albinos (read on the boa forum awhile back that Jeff Ronne said you can tell in the eyes and I definately am catching on). Boo has great color btw and that is weird on a ghost being that I haven't seen to many but really enjoy the color on his sides though. Best of luck this season and everything went AOK today btw
Bob

Thanks Bob, I give 1/2 the credit to the snakes and the other half to the camera, I just get the two together.

Actually Spirit is the one that amazes me, she has a lot of pink scales scattered around mostly on the sides and tail.

Glad to hear today went well, so does that mean the 30th is not gonna be a problem?
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com
0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
20.28 BRB
16.18 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

The 30th is no longer in effect though but I need to call the evaluator tomorrow and setup an appointment then another date prolly in June sometime then maybe one more but things are looking good from my standpoint so thank you and keep me in those pr---rs if you don't mind Dave and take care in the meantime
Bob

Glad things are going easier than you anticipated!!!!!

And good luck with the rest of the process!!
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com
0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
20.28 BRB
16.18 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Bob, what is it in the eyes that you are looking for? I haven't heard that one and must have missed Jeff Ronne's post. You've got me very curious now.

The eyes is a BCI statement. There is a belief (backed up with some data) that there is a marker for Het albino. The upper half of the eye on hets is noticably brighter than those of non-hets (called headlights). And typically brighter than the surrounding scales. The only downside of it is it's a comparitive, within one litter, thing. If you have one boa with "headlights", it might not be het, just from a litter with brighter than average eyes.

This is a male het for coral albino that clearly shows headlights:

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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com
0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
20.28 BRB
16.18 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

but I am putting together a really long post for Milo on my OPINIONS so bear with me for awhile and I will type what I think
Bob

p.s. Dave get your a$$ back to work jk type away cuz I get all the benefits especially from the e-mails so type as you please

so I could very well be wrong so on that note I will say that everything is just my opinion and 100% false for argument sake (life's to short to argue anyway and that is left for the boa forum) I couldn't find the post from Jeff but it was about 3-4 months back and someone posted a pic of a possible something I can't remember but it was also a poss. albino too, that I do remember. I don't have near the amount of knowledge of many of our forum members and I will also say that Jeff has more knowledge on the hairs on his big toe than I do in my little head that I have But what I remember clear as day was the fact that the eyes were really really silver compared to the color of the snake that usually falls into the eyes if you know what I mean. I visited Big Mike's site cuz he prolly has the biggest selection with the best closeups of the eyes so I chose a few of his snakes for my opinion but will again say that this is just my opinion and I'm stupid so don't go out and buy anything based off my assumptions (cuz that's what they really are) so I can't be held responsible for anyone's choices so don't sue me cuz I got 2 lawyers right now haha lol but serious and I'm all about having the facts but unfortunately this isn't the case so I will just reiterate one more time that this is just my opinion so I would love to hear any thoughts but not any negative feedback (e-mail on that) but whatever floats anyone's boat is ok with me so if you must vent then vent. I also understand there are exceptions to every rule so some snakes may have the same thing happening but not be het albino (talking about Dave's pics of his ghosts with the same thing but it may be the difference between a het ghost and homo ghost) that just sounds weirdlol

first pic
pets.webshots.com/photo/2084586440034038106LQyVCC
I think no but I don't know diddily squat (sorry for the mispelling)
second pic
pets.webshots.com/photo/2359122180034038106FgljBX
oooooohh it's a toss up
third pic
pets.webshots.com/photo/2316620820034038106FRhIBv
I think no
fourth pic
pets.webshots.com/photo/2766774430034038106AWPCKu
I think no also but nice snake though
fifth pic
pets.webshots.com/photo/2287929920034038106mbvlZr
I think yes
sixth pic
pets.webshots.com/photo/2637921910034038106zwuorP
toss up on this one (looks like the snake was closing his eyes or squinting) I know they can't close them if ur wondering
seventh pic
pets.webshots.com/photo/2037946110034038106tbQsHJ
again a toss up but I think yes
eighth pic
pets.webshots.com/photo/2996648920034038106pUOxYO
jackpot and it's real clean to, lucky pickup IMO
ninth pic
pets.webshots.com/photo/2601028560034038106PdlIxg
cha-ching but this only my opinion
tenth pic
pets.webshots.com/photo/2102630670034038106Naadnf
can't tell from the pic that is a beautiful snake regardless
eleventh pic
pets.webshots.com/photo/2547185640034038106vsGxID
looks like it but can't tell from that angle but clean snake
twelth pic
pets.webshots.com/photo/2849813510034038106EILkjV
toss up but prolly cuz of the angle of the shot

Milo I just ask that you don't lose all respect you have for me after this post but would like to know your thoughts and anyone else's on the matter but really don't want to hear how I'm an idiot, my son's mother tells me that waaaaay to often so it is very old to me but what do you or ya'll think about this post?
Bob

Bob, only real point I have is the "Headlights" het albino marker is for Kahl strain, not saying it doesn't work also for Sharp but have NOT seen anything even implying that it does. And since Kahl and Sharp strains are incompatible, I would tend to believe the marker is NOT good for Sharp strain.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com
0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
20.28 BRB
16.18 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Dave thanks for the comment as always. What if albinism is albinism and t-pos or t-neg doesn't matter cuz it is a form of albinism? If life or genetics was that simple then we would have no worries lol. I totally understand that the "headlight theory" could be only for the Kahl strain but what if huh? If it was that simple than everyone would know but I tend to think I am more mentally stable than most haha lol NOT lol again Dave. I agree with you that the subjects that have the "headlights" viewed most often if not all were Kahl(remember I have only been on KS for 7-8 months so take that into consideration too) but there are tons more of Kahl strain out there than Sharp strain so maybe we haven't seen any poss. Sharp specimens yet on boa forum, I have a pretty good memory but I don't remember to many people posting pics of their poss. het albinos but none of them were Sharp though but time will time just like the Genevieve Stripe and again the best of luck cuz you deserve it.
Bob

p.s. Dave u da man still

The "headlights" theory is very interesting. I have never heard of it before but it is definetly something I am interested in watching to see how often it proves true. Someone could do real well with "possibles" if you could learn to acurately predict hets from non hets.
A couple of years ago when I was buying some BCI from Frank Martin, he explained the scale markers for albino hets to me. He told me then that the had been 100% correct in his adult and sub-adult possible het purchases at that point looking for the scale markers. He said that although he has seen hets that did not have the marker he had never seen the marker on hets that didn't prove.
Unfortunately the scales typically do not turn until the animal is a couple of years old so that method cannot be used picking neos acurately.
Since I talked to him about that I have actually had one het albino 66% DH that has developed the scales.

It will be interesting to see if the eye thing works for Sharp hets as well. Good choice of examples by the way. I have been considering buying a couple of those possible hets from Basically Boas to go with a male I have.

Thanks for the info.

Can you explain the scale marker theory? I've heard bits and pieces of it before but never all put together in one place. Pics would be cool!!
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com
0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
20.28 BRB
16.18 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

The way it was explained to me is that between one and two years of age, random scales will turn white or yellow. Not large clusterings of lighter scales like you sometimes see on the classifieds as calicos or possible pieds ect. but just individual scales that were previously dark. They are usually located in the darker patterns of the boa and Frank said that he often sees these lightened scales show up on the head.
The snake that I have who's scales changed are all on the body and none on the head. She started out looking just like a regular BCI. She doesn't have a lot of scales that turned yellow but enough that you'll notice them at a glance.

I bought her as definate albino and possible anery (she is not one of Frank's, by the way)and I have absolutely no experience with possible hets that got this color change and then proved out. This is just what I have heard from others.

One thing that I am not clear on is if this is affected by other genetic traits involved. I have seen adult hypos that get random lighter scales that are just normal hypos so I'd assume that the scale theory probably doesn't count with possible Dh sunglows.
I'll try to remember to take some pics tonight.

It's all kinda interesting to think about isn't it? For years everyone has assumed that boas have no markers unlike balls where it is so prevelant and now there are theories popping up that boas just might.

Another interesting example is the leopard boas and hets. Leopard is recessive, but their hets have a distinct amount of abberancies compared to a normal Sonoran. Makes you wonder.

By the way, I like your "life's to short to argue anyway and that is left for the boa forum" comment. I have been an avid lurker on the boa forum for years but rarely have posted and when I do its short and simple for that very reason. Never a personal opinion, obersvation, or theory. Some of the participants are way to judgemental and quick to tear someone a new a$$hole over a difference of opinion.
That and it seems clickish and like a popularity contest most of the time.
Can't we all just get along? I got out of highschool along time ago, lol.

Well Jason it is the truth though and opinions are not welcome on that forum by no means cuz they have people just waiting to try and maliciously pick you apart. On a May 11 post someone asked about how they could reproduce Motleys with a "whip" tail and C.G. answered that you should find 2 motleys with that trait and hope for the best. He later goes on to say that he has not produced any litters himself but came up with this conclusion from viewing the litters that were born to the big guys I would imagine. I say "big guys" meaning people who have a website with the pics of their motley posted clear as day cuz everyone wants to see the parents (I hope you want to see where your purchase is coming from at least). So taking into account that most motleys that the breeders have look like the typical motley here is an example of one of Dave's that I consider a great typical motley

then you got more a whip tail so to speak and I like these guys a little more but that is just my personal preference

but Dave says "beauty is in the eye of the beholder"

but not to get carried away but I agree with C.G.'s posts (don't mean much) but then you got this a$$hole who writes

Posted by: stfu at Fri May 11 18:43:36 2007 [ Report Abuse ] [ Email Message ]

"According to the breeders who make all the Motleys it is random."

"Even though I didn't produce my own litters I can still look at the results from other breeders, what kind of Motley they used, and what kind of boa they bred it to. You work with the same data no matter if you do it yourself or follow what others have done."

Which one is it?

Sometimes it is better to listen rather than blurt out information that stems from pure assumption and inexperience.

Which one is it???? I would kick him in the nads if I had the chance and then pray for forgiveness alright maybe I would kick him twice but I made a comment after to stir things up with stfu but he didn't respond but my comment was

Posted by: strictly4fun at Fri May 11 19:23:40 2007 [ Report Abuse ] [ Email Message ]

when my motley come out their eggs for you okay

but unfortunately no response but that is the type of verbal abuse I can't stand
sorry it took so long but I got physical therapy so I must go but talking boas would definately be a job I would be interesting in so until next time Jason or "Milo" take care man
Bob

p.s. I apologize for putting url tags instead of image tags on the other post but I didn't want it to get pulled but if Mr. KS is reading this one then give us more pages please

Posted by: strictly4fun at Wed May 16 12:46:20 2007 [ Report Abuse ] [ Email Message ]

Well Jason it is the truth though and opinions are not welcome on that forum by no means cuz they have people just waiting to try and maliciously pick you apart. On a May 11 post someone asked about how they could reproduce Motleys with a "whip" tail and C.G. answered that you should find 2 motleys with that trait and hope for the best. He later goes on to say that he has not produced any litters himself but came up with this conclusion from viewing the litters that were born to the big guys I would imagine. I say "big guys" meaning people who have a website with the pics of their motley posted clear as day cuz everyone wants to see the parents (I hope you want to see where your purchase is coming from at least). So taking into account that most motleys that the breeders have look like the typical motley here is an example of one of Dave's that I consider a great typical motley

then you got more a whip tail so to speak and I like these guys a little more but that is just my personal preference

but Dave says "beauty is in the eye of the beholder"

but not to get carried away but I agree with C.G.'s posts (don't mean much) but then you got this a$$hole who writes

Posted by: stfu at Fri May 11 18:43:36 2007 [ Report Abuse ] [ Email Message ]

"According to the breeders who make all the Motleys it is random."

"Even though I didn't produce my own litters I can still look at the results from other breeders, what kind of Motley they used, and what kind of boa they bred it to. You work with the same data no matter if you do it yourself or follow what others have done."

Which one is it?

Sometimes it is better to listen rather than blurt out information that stems from pure assumption and inexperience.

Which one is it???? I would kick him in the nads if I had the chance and then pray for forgiveness alright maybe I would kick him twice but I made a comment after to stir things up with stfu but he didn't respond but my comment was

Posted by: strictly4fun at Fri May 11 19:23:40 2007 [ Report Abuse ] [ Email Message ]

when my motley come out their eggs for you okay

but unfortunately no response but that is the type of verbal abuse I can't stand
sorry it took so long but I got physical therapy so I must go but talking boas would definately be a job I would be interesting in so until next time Jason or "Milo" take care man
Bob

p.s. I apologize for putting url tags instead of image tags on the other post but I didn't want it to get pulled but if Mr. KS is reading this one then give us more pages please

I read that post too. Everyone has an opinion and those tend to differ. There is no reason to get as rude about it some people tend to do.
By the way I like ladder tail motleys better. Want to fight about it?

or how about you buy your preference and I'll buy my preference cuz that sounds like a peacable decision??????? When is that female of yours do?
Bob

Yeah, that sounds do-albe.
Seriously though, Motley's are still way out of my price range. I think that they're beautiful but I am a little hesitant with the co-doms. Hypos dropped prices pretty quick and I was wishing I'd waited a year before purchasing a couple of animals I have, but then again I think motleys are definately a step up. Plus they have an awsome super!
I know of some people who took a hit in the ball python circle, who had invested heavily in the co-dom traits. Not to say that is a good parallel for the boa world but I am hesitant nonetheless.

I'm still waiting on my female. Not sure exactly when she's due and I'm not the most patient person so I am checking on her constantly although I think that she still has a little while to go. The waiting game sucks.
I am really hoping for a nice healthy litter. The only one I had so far this year had a huge slug ratio. Keep your fingers crossed.
Milo

haha lol. I hope the price of Motleys drop in about 3 years or so but quality motleys are quality motleys and that is the bottom line. I see in the classifieds right now a couple people who are selling motleys but these tend to look more like a columbian than a motley hence the prices are about $3500 shipped but I don't plan on buying inferior animals (as do you) but I plan to buy most if not all of my new additions from Dave unless I need to get a partner and need new blood but he has such a distinct and well rounded collection and breeding program that I may not have to. I really would love a
1-Motley (then eventually a Super or two or three lol)
2-Coral Albino
3-Snow but I might have to buy the ingredients to this one
4-Poss. Super Hypo (I like Dave's cherry salmons but his summit is friggin' awesome but I just like the darker colors)
5-Anery but might get one het albino for the snow

and BRB's
1-Anery
2-Het. Hypo or another Hypo
and breed my animals just to get my money back so I can buy boaphiles and more snakes like an albino and if my hypo proves het anery then humping an anery will give me
1/2 double hets
1/2 anery het hypo cha-ching

I could talk snakes all day Jason but I'll stop here until next time so take care
Bob

I don't want to make money but I sure do want more snakes and if I keep buying what I want then surely I will be broke, my court issues are draining and I'm pretty much wrung out going in the red column but everything happens for a reason and people like myself bounce back so I have no worries.

LOVERLY! Makes me want more snakes, but I'll have to content myself with enjoying pix of yours! Thanks for posting them!

Renee

Thanks Renee, I do enjoy taking and posting them. I really like the way my website is coming together with lots of pics of the breeders to show where the babies are and will be coming from.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com
0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
20.28 BRB
16.18 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

I went to look at your website and you sure have an exciting mix of snakes! It's fun to see all the different colors and patterns in one place. How many different strains of babies are you expecting/hoping for in BRB's this year?

Renee

Expecting a whole assortment of normals including high colored ones and some patterns like bullseye, blush and eclipse. Only have one pairing that will produce het hypos and only a partial interest in that one (breeder loan). Next year will be the year of the morph for me!
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com
0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
20.28 BRB
16.18 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

You type like you're excited Dave you should have done your trademark thing like
Bob