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Will the average(and probably most numerous)collector pay the double het prices, when they can make one in a year or two themselves?

I can only speak for myself, but I have real trouble with lets take a Pastel x Ghost and paying I've seen upwards of 1k for one??

Maybe Im cheap?

Also, double hets can only make the prices of most single hets go down also. IMHO

I see a 1.0 male Pastel 100% Pied going for 4k plus...

Why wouldnt I just want to buy a male Pied( if I didnt already have one) for 3k and breed him to my female pastel and get 8 eggs / 4k each next year?

It doesnt add up in my mind?

My assumption is that most people whom begin designer projects desire to hold back all offspring. When you see 100% double hets for anything for sale the breeder in most cases would rather keep that offspring. The breeder is hoping he or she can score someone willing to pay a premium price for the year or two worth of work they have done. Again this is my assumption because I believe I would do the exact same thing.

Brad Ratliff

I know what your saying, you are buying time by buying the double. But in the example I had, Pastel X 100% Pied for 4k, you can buy a male pied of breeding age for that much?

The way I see it, if you are not already in the game for the double het designer morph by the time its advertised, you are already too late... 8 or 12 months isnt going to get you back ahead of the curve and the money should be invested elsewhere.

Thats if your in the investment game.

I see what you're sayin'...

You'll need the super-duper dbl. het pied pewter ghost spinner mojavebee albino stripe axanthic pastel-twist, to be the king ball!

Right???

The only trouble I see is finding a mate.

Quinton

I agree with you totally, it would make alot more since to go that route from a hobby standpoint and this is the route I have taken, but some people have that kind of capital to plop down on balls with know problem and these are the people who these breeder/dealers and marketing to and thats fine to , you just have to decide what route you want to go, I like the cheaper route for obvisous reasons that work best for me and that is just purchasing hets and producing my own visuals , I am in know hurry and I love this hobby/buisness. Also by buying balls that are already combo hets you cut a great deal of time in refernce to producing beautiful visual morphs so what you are really paying for is time and time can be expensive.

i'll use your pied/pastel, that's a good example. by the time you get female pastels up to breeding size, you're going to have lots of attractive options as to what you want to make with them. they make all kinds of excellent double co-doms, first generation, straight 1 in 4. if you were to make pastels het pied, there is no guarantee you will get a male, and if you do, you still need adult female het pieds [a less than optimal pairing, 1 in 8, with lots of possible this and that] or adult pied females to pull off a pastel pied. and trust me, adult pieds and het pieds have plenty of value in other projects as well. anyone using adult visual females of any type is sacrificing something to make double hets, therefore i think they rightly value what they produce. if you have the right adult visual females, the co-dom/visual double hets can be worth the expense, as you can save at least a couple of years. i strongly reccomend to anyone who wants to produce any of the really killer morphs, sit down with a paper and pencil, and figure out how you're going to get there. right now, there are lots of shortcuts out there at affordable prices, if you can figure out how to use them with what you've got. best of luck to all, kurt d.

I agree with you. I remember years ago when there werent many DBL visuals around i was talking to Kevin from NERD. He told us to buy as many 100% DBLS as possible he said tht is the key and i couldnt agree more. A dbl male can save you a whole breeding season no matter how you look at it . I actually love DBL's b/c you never know what you can get, breed a dbl male (pied X ghost) to a normal and get some het pieds, some het ghosts and some het for both. Of cose there will also be some normals, but when you breed those animals back to their father then you could hit on a new morph or ghosts or pieds. Its like Christmas

We actually got a DBL Lavander Albino X Caramel Albino male when they were still close to 10k ea

We also picked up a male het clown/ ghost and a male het gen.stripe/ghost.

In the long run if you are looking at the over all picture dbls are the way to go. Just our opinions and experiences

Kim
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Vince Pramuk

I couldnt have said it better myself.