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"Solidified Yolk Syndrome"

boaphile May 16, 2007 11:33 AM

A little something I wrote about "Solidified Yolk Syndrome" in baby Boa babies four years ago:

June-19-2003:

OK, it's good and it's bad. This is by far the reddest Boa I have ever bred successfully. This was her first breeding. She is four years old, seven feet and very lovely.

She had 41 babies. Four of these dead and 37 still are living. Now this female gave birth on day 95 after the Post Ovulation Shed. This is not a good thing. It is more normally that females drop their babies between 104 and 111 days after the Post Ovulation Shed. Had she hung onto them just a week longer three of the four dead would likely be fine when born. These babies were all born with massive bellies full of yolk. This can be a fatal situation. The problem is that many times these babies with the huge bellies have that yolk solidify and become unable to digest or absorb all this food. I am trying something a little different this time. Normally, the female would still be carrying them. They would not be born if held till full term for at least another week. Perhaps two weeks. Anyhow, so now what do I do to maximize the likelihood that these babies survive? I am leaving them in the cage where their Momma had them. Still turning the heat on during the day and off at night. Their Momma if she was still carrying them would be subject to these same conditions so I am guessing this is best as opposed to all heat all the time. She would move toward the heat during the day and away at night when the heat is turned off anyhow. I am hoping that they are all able to absorb this stuff. Here is a picture of one of the babies with the massive gut. We shall see...

June-22-2003:

Well, they are 5 days old this morning and looking much thinner. I think the plan of leaving them in the cage where they can still get access to good heat and move away when they like is the ticket. They should be shedding on Friday hopefully. Although, I can't remember if big belly babies shed a little late or not. I have noticed one change since I began heating my baby room vs. heating in the racks and that is that babies shed now the first time when 11 or most times 12 days old. I know it's hard to wait the extra day or two but they definitely do better in a heated room rather than heated racks.

Now if I can wait for these most red of all Hypos I have ever seen to shed! The waiting is killing me but I'll get over it I guess.

Jeff

June-25-2003:

OK,

A little update. These kids are 8 days old this morning. As planned, I have left them in the cage so they could have access to the same much warmer temps than I normally give babies that their mother would have access to. They all seem to be doing very well. Their tummies are much much smaller and they are all opaque. I hope this will work. At least it looks very good so far. I don't want to touch them as I am afraid that any unnecessary stress may cause some problems with the yolk still not completely digested in their bellies. So I will just wait. I am hoping that many of them begin to shed on Friday on schedule and THEN we will begin to see what these little lovely beasts will bring us! I can hardly wait to see these guys. I was looking forward to this breeding more than any other one this year. I am very anxious to see how red these little hypos end up. I will keep you posted!

Thanks,

Jeff

Back in 2003 this was my first little experiment, done publicly at that time, with what I now call, "Solidified Yolk Syndrome" in baby Boas. That was four years ago. Those babies all faired perfectly well. They did not eat for a couple weeks after shedding, which is typical for babies with the big yolk. But they did well. I had another equally poor litter born that same year with the big bellies full of yolk. I did the same with them allowing them to stay in the cage where their Momma had them. She had them on the heat same as the first litter detailed here. The babies stayed on the heat for a number of days while that yolk was absorbed.

Since then, I have not lost a single baby to the "Solidified Yolk Syndrome". Not one. I think the key is allowing the babies to thermoregulate and reach a 90 degree temperature if desired. Believe me, it is desired. Just a little trick I found a while back that I posted on several forums four years ago. I have not had opportunity to write this in print yet but hopefully will soon where this and many other specific new breeding/husbandry tips will be published.

The idea of using the saline solution sounds really promising. However, I think possibly the "Solidified Yolk Syndrome" may be avoided all together if a thermogradiant is provided from birth allowing the babies to absorb that extra yolk.

Jeff
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boaphile May 16, 2007 01:36 PM

Here is one of the babies a few days after being born and sucking up much of the yolk:

Another:

One baby still in the sack fully 60 hours after being born:

Here is the gravid Momma before having those babies:

Big 'ol mess of kids directly on the heat:

Another shot of the kids on the heat:

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DaveyFig May 16, 2007 06:08 PM

Well done Jeff. I think it is awesome that there is information posted now that could help prevent the hard bellies. I had never experienced the "syndrome", nor had I ever read of anyone else having it, so the preventative measures couldn't have helped, and once the hard yolk set in, I had to do something. Now I know what to do to prevent it in the future, and I thank you for that. I only posted for those , who like me , didn't know of the syndrome. Hard to prevent something that you don't know could happen.
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boaphile May 16, 2007 09:42 PM

I was very interested to hear your results with the saline when I heard that had been tried. Whatever works I always say. Once something has happened, then sometimes you have to scramble to find another solution. That is an inventive one that may prove valuable for some other folks as well but avoiding it all together of course is best. Now if we can just figure out how to have all our babies born without ever having the big belly full of yolk, we'll all be better off.
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DaveyFig May 16, 2007 10:09 PM

I think we wish it on ourselves, with all of the "I can't wait for this girl to drop" stuff.
I was like that with some litters, and now I don't count the days anymore. I say let her take as long as she wants, and then ask her to wait a little longer!
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TnK May 16, 2007 06:52 PM

Wouldnt it seem acceptable to just leave all litters where their dropped until "they" decide its time to move around ?
Many people want to play in the goo and get their finger-prints all over newborns.
Allowing thermal regulation to acure until first shed would most likely fix/prevent alot of the slow starters NO ?

TnK

boaphile May 16, 2007 09:45 PM

That's what I do about 90% of the time. The babies "know" when it's best to move off and where to go. Plus Mom "knows" where it is best to have them, whether that be on the heat or off. Last year I left a Hogg Island female in with her babies for about a week. It was really interesting to watch the babies and Mom together. Quite natural.
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begunwithaletter May 16, 2007 08:32 PM

I took my babies out as soon as I found them, but I allowed them to have access to higher temps, and all but ONE of my bigger-bellied babies has made it through the first shed. The 'premie' baby developed a hard belly last night, and I put her down...

It's good to know this for my NEXT litter.
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boaphile May 17, 2007 11:22 AM

I have gone back and forth. The first five years or so I always removed the babies, cleaned them up, and set them up in a heated rack. Never had any problems with "Solidified Yolk Syndrome" at that time. I had problems with babies that were just weak and died occasionally. The smaller ones that had the larger yolk still outside the body, but not so much now as I just leave them in the cages till they disperse on their own. I attribute this to he inevitable additional bleeding that occurs if you just leave them alone in the cage. When a large yolk is still attached, there is a large blood vessel going to that yolk. It is very easy for new born babies to bleed to death after rupturing this vessel. God designed a better way of taking care of this, and I cannot improve upon it. So as much as possible, I let Mom decide where they get delivered and leave them alone until they are for sure doing very well, and no longer needing the heat.

Then I heated a room for younger Boas and after removing entire litters and setting them up in large tubs after cleaning them up, I would have the "Solidified Yolk Syndrome" sometimes killing babies. The babies do a perfectly good job cleaning themselves up except in the unusual circumstance where they get mashed around in a bunch of yolk from neighboring slugs. That should be cleaned off or it will dry on them leaving them less mobile that normal babies and making it really difficult to shed that first skin.

Many folks have always set up their babies in heated racks and never seen "Solidified Yolk Syndrome". But I have and since I now heat my baby room to 85 degrees without heating the racks, I cannot, as a rule, remove the babies from the birth cage and move them into the room. However, I have set up one ten drawer sweater rack that has a double thermostat set up on it with the back heat temperature set to 92 degrees that I can and do use on occasion. Sometimes I don't have the extra cage to move the mother into or for some other reason I must remove the mother and in those cases, the babies go into that heated rack. Here is an example of one of those situations where I had "Pearlescent" babies and non-Pearlescents from the same litter loaded into that heated rack. They did not have the big bellies but I set them up in the heated rack just to be safe. I removed them from the cage because, I admit it, I just couldn't wait to get my mitts on them! See them pushed up against the front staying away from the heat? If they had the big bellies, they would be back at the rear at the heat.


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