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Outdoor Enclosure A Few More Questions

easternlvrs10 May 17, 2007 05:27 PM

OK, so I have read all your wonderful replies and we have gotten the enclosure to the point of having this nasty clay soil in and we have planted a lot of plants so there is alot of shade, and made hide boxes for them, but the problem seems to be that this soil of clay seems to be very hard almost cement like...we are wondering if anyone has knowledge of whether they will be able to dig down into this clay??? As we all knwo they regulate their own body temps by sunning, getting inot soil to cool off etc...we are afraid if they can't make scrapes in the clay they may overheat in the summer.
They have only been out for about 4 days and are slowly getting used to the enclosure...but we are concerned about the above...Should we add "top soil" that is like real top soil that they can dig inot if needed???
Any suggestions yet again are very helpful.

Thanks in Advance
Melinda

P.S. How do I post pictures???

Replies (5)

Peeperskeeper May 17, 2007 08:10 PM

I just west of you with GEORGIA RED CLAY. We brought in a large truck load of true woods top soil and Nature's Helper ( it is a ground pine bark mix) and added allot of leaves. Then we tilled the soil after three days of watering a lot. If the clay is damp they can't dig much but if it dries out it is just like bricks.One of our rescue turtles we have was in a clay enclosure and when we got her she had no claws.

If you put the top soil on top of the clay they can only go that far and then they hit the hard pan clay.It has to be mixed in very well. The turtles will thank you as will your plants.

kensopher May 18, 2007 07:08 AM

Ditto, you have to till tons of organic matter directly into the soil.

Topsoil is good, but it will wash away if added alone. Even if it is tilled in, rain separates topsoil from clay. You need to add in "chunky stuff" and a layer of leaves, pine needles, and safe mulch on top to prevent this from happening. Your plant roots should help to anchor the soil.

Give the turtles a HUGE pile of leaves and/or pine needles. This will provide a place for them to escape from the heat. Water it a few times a week, and the clay under the pile should stay soft enough for them to dig. You'll have to keep adding leaves/needles as the pile settles.

You can also make little turtle houses. You must use untreated lumber. I've built them before using untreated 2X10's. The sides can be 10 inches tall and I make them around 2 feet long. Paint the top with a light colored, non-toxic paint to reflect light. I've placed them directly on top of the ground and also have sunken them in until the tops are level with the ground. They rot quickly, which is why I've switched to using logs as shelter(plus rotting logs attract slugs). However, they're cheap and easy to make so replacing is simple. When I have used them, my turtles absolutely LOVED them. You can stuff leaves or pine needles inside for added insulation. Quite frequently, the turtles will use these almost exclusively. You can use this basic concept and make very elaborate and pretty houses. The clay may wash down into the sunken houses during rains. You may need to periodically scoop excess clay out.(Welcome to the Carolinas - NEVER stick your hand into one of these hiding spots without a line of sight. Copperheads abound!)

One more thing...don't till unless you are adding a large quantity of organic matter(nearly as much as the soil you are displacing). Tilling clay will usually end up making it MORE compact if nothing is added. When tilling, you're basically destroying the little tunnels and pockets of air that are created by organisms living in the soil. After the next rain, the clay will pack down again and often become like a rock. It takes decades for those tunnels to be re-constructed. This is by far the most common mistake of gardeners working in heavy clay soil. My neighbors will say, "I tilled this area, and now that it rained it is lower than the surrounding soil". Much of these air pockets and tunnels are smaller than the human eye can see.

P.s. Don't listen to the garden center people who tell you to add sand or "clay soft".

Sorry for the long post.

StephF May 18, 2007 08:32 AM

Ditto to both the above posts.

You want to end up with a mixture, not layers.

Dillybird May 27, 2007 01:21 PM

This is what my guys have. It's peat, nice black soil, pine needles, old grasses and weeds, even some old cardboard. It's nice and light so they can burrow in. Sometimes they are up in the top, sometimes down at the bottom. Sometimes they sit with just their heads poking out. My Eastern hibernated in this last winter. I put that old log next to it to keep it fenced in- the pile likes to spread.

Nanci
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Dillybird May 27, 2007 01:22 PM

Here's Krusty (Florida) poking his head out for a nightcrawler.


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