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4:20 Friday afternoon, May 18. I have the heat on in the house.

Del Rio is 67F. Sanderson is 68F. Alpine is 72F. Iraan is 69F. Presidio is a balmy 82F but expected to drop to 59F tonight.

Tell me, Al, where is this global warming you keep yelling about??

>>4:20 Friday afternoon, May 18. I have the heat on in the house.
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>>Del Rio is 67F. Sanderson is 68F. Alpine is 72F. Iraan is 69F. Presidio is a balmy 82F but expected to drop to 59F tonight.
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>>Tell me, Al, where is this global warming you keep yelling about??

John, how dare you question the man who invented the internet and laughed at Ollie North for saying Osama BinLaden was a danger to us. LOL
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Steve W.

Global warming is probably more accurate described as Global Climate Change. Global warming will have different effects in different areas. If you look at average global temperatures, they are on the rise. Just because you get a few days cooler than normal does not mean that climate change is not going on. In fact, with global warming you will also get colder than normal temperatures in parts of Europe due to effects on ocean currents. Global warming is scientific fact.

look up "fecitious" in the dictionary, please. I know what global warming is.
JH

Most agree that the Earth is warming. Many do NOT agree that mankind contributes significantly to that warming. Identifying the problem (global warming) is easy. Identifying the cause (mankinds activity, sun cycle, natural climate cycle, volcanic activity, cow farts, etc) is not so simple.

I read an excellent article a few days ago about hundreds of scientists who once endorsed Kyoto and signed various UN pronouncements that are now changing from proponents to skeptics of global warming. I don't remember where I saw the article and I'm not able to find the link right now. However, the following links are interesting.

Global Warming: The Cold Hard Facts?

Professor Seeking Balance

Personally, I'm unwilling to take a side. In my mind, the jury is definitely still out.

I'm much more concerned about habitat destruction and polution than man-made CO2. I'm also curious about the warming of Mars. Do the Martians burn fossil fuels?

Not really. There are few people in the scientific community that do not believe in Global Warming, and it seems that the few that don't believe it have nothing to back up their arguments. They just seem to be attempting to stir the pot. The consensus among the scientific community is that Global Warming is fact. The articles you posted to read, while they disagree with global warming, present no evidence to back their stances up. They appear to be more opinion based than anything. It is fact that gloabl temperatures have risen sharply over the past 25 years.
It is also fact that C02 IS a greenhouse gas and will contribute to a rise in temperature. Most of the evidence points to warming due to an increase in anthropogenic (man made) greenhouse gasses.

However, I do agree with you completely about the urgent need to stop habitat destruction and pollution. I live in Florida and the destruction of habitat in the Everglades and pollution due to many different sources (including agricultural runoff) is appauling. Developers are still pushing to move the development line west into the Everglades here in South Florida, and for the most part, their permits get granted. Habitat destruction is still allowed and developers can still get kill permits to build on land inhabitated by gopher tortoise (a keystone species). Not to mention the fact that the tortoise burrows house many different species including indigo snakes. Few will argue that Florida has very sensitive habitat, but is seems that developing and pollution still continue at extremely reckless levels. It is disheartening to watch.

Eby-what part of the country are you from?

JL, things are almost as bad here in north FL but development here has never happened at the pace and scale of the south peninsula. Either way, it seems like there's a race to see who can finish paving the entire state first; first prize being a useless, barren concrete and asphalt slab only good for McFood and ChooseYourDistraction World. Crap, I went and got myself all bummed out again .. 8^P
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Bill Cope
O'Brien, FL

>>Not really. There are few people in the scientific community
>>that do not believe in Global Warming, and it seems that the
>>few that don't believe it have nothing to back up their
>>arguments.
Actually, I've seen some very good scientific arguments on both side (and far more hype than evidence on both sides). However, none have (pro or con) have been convincing enough to make me disregard the counter-arguments. As I stated before, I am still very much undecided. The sad fact is, MOST scientists are bought and paid for with various public or private grants. It's hard for me to believe anyone that has a financial interest in one side or another.

>>Few will argue that Florida has very sensitive habitat, but is
>>seems that developing and pollution still continue at
>>extremely reckless levels. It is disheartening to watch.
Perhaps global warming will flood out the developers

>>Eby-what part of the country are you from?
Heaven on Earth. Alterna Land. Terlingua Ranch Texas. Far, far away from skeeters, developers, huge wildfires, and threats of GW caused flooding.

Unfortunatly you are not that far away from developers (lajitas).

Heaven on Earth. Alterna Land. Terlingua Ranch Texas. Far, far away from skeeters, developers, huge wildfires, and threats of GW caused flooding.

There's a lot of physical evidence that the Earth's climate has flip-flopped many times in the past, sometimes within the space of a decade or two, and may be more responsible for abrupt extinction events than outside influences like the Chixulub (sp?) meteor. Even volcanic activity like Krakatoa in the 1800's, St. Helens and Pinatubo have given us a taste of climate change caused by more mundane things closer to home. Although I voted for Gore in 2K, sometimes I think that he's been using the environment in general as a political tool to garner votes. I'd rather be wrong about that, but he's a politician like his old man and the fruit rarely falls far from the tree.

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Bill Cope
O'Brien, FL