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hatching...but no Green/Granites. This is my first burm clutch of the year to start hatching. They are from an albino het Green/granite bred to a Green 50% het albino granite male. Some of the greens that show the het granite influence are really cool! Also, I believe this is the first granite het 100% albino green produced! Enjoy the pics!

although no green granites, you can not argue ABOUT the results of that Breeding, once again Congrats!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

Thanks Frank! I'm pretty stoked on them anyway.

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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

they look like green granites to me...

I wish! The green/granites that have been produced have a lot more granite pattern on the sides. Also the heads on greens have the big dark spot on top while the green/granites don't seem to have that.

The Greens that are really spotted will almost certainly prove out het for granite. I ended up with only one green that looked more normal. The other 4 are all very spotted.

Here is the normal green in the clutch.

of the green variant of the Burmese python, but when mixed with granites they are awesome, also, the green "het" carriers for granite make me want a Green, but it would have to be a het if that pattern change has something to do with carrying the granite gene. There is an obvious difference between a reg green and one carrying the granite gene. Do other "het" anomalies change the outward appearance of the green mutation?
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

Good question Frank. As far as I know no one has produced any greens het for anything else other than granite or albino. I do have some albino green eggs cooking right now that will be 50% het for lab. It should be interesting to see if there is any distinct pattern variation between the albino greens in that clutch. I actually doubt there will be, but who knows.

With the granite gene it's easy to tell which normal burms are het for granite in a clutch of possible hets. So, it wasn't a big surprise when green possible het granites were produced and several had the spotting thing going on, while others looked normal. From what I've seen, over all the normals het for lab look pretty ordinary. Which makes be believe a green het for lab probably won't stand out. Though, you never know until you get some.

Time will tell and please be sure to post pics of the other clutches that hatch for you, It's interesting to me that the granite gene influences the greens pattern when carried as "het". Very interesting indeed!!!
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Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

We don't know what a green het for labyrinth looks like, but this is what the green labyrinth (Leopard Burm) looks like. She has alot of green coloration with a drastic change in the labyrinth pattern.

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Randy and Michelle
Art In Scales
(719) 439-4199

Green/Labyrinth. Although I believe most if not all are het for green. To me they look more like normal het greens with smaller brown spots on top. I think they look very beautiful, and would love to have one some day, but in my mind I'm nearly certain they aren't green/labs.

Hopefully one day soon someone will hatching out some green/labyrinths and we can find out one way or another.

Great Picture by the way. Leopards really are pretty cool.

While it may be true that this has not been proven, I am only representing her as what she was sold to me as. I also have an unrelated male. He looks identical to her. The best solution will be to breed these two together and see what comes out of the eggs. If they all look like the parents, then I have a pair of true green/laby (leopards).

I would be interested in seeing the pictures that you have, and if possible get as much information about her that you are willing to share. The gentleman I purchased her from acquired her in a trade and had no history on her, to include the genetics. I contacted Jim Mason and Bob Clark to find out what the genetics were, both indicated that the leopard is a homozygous labyrinth and homozygous green.

The lateral stripping suggests labyrinth and the green coloration and reduced pattern suggest green patternless.

We will breed them this season, hopefully this time next year there will be a definative answer.

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Randy and Michelle
Art In Scales
(719) 439-4199
info@artinscales.com

know Jim Mason believe leopards are normals het for green/labyrinth, not homozygous green/labs. Or he did the last time I talk to him about it.

I don't know any specific cases, but everything I've heard about leopards breeding is they don't prove to be genetic. I would love to see you prove that not to be the case, but I know I've heard that before.

I believe that leopards are "normal / double-het" for green & labyrinth, not homozygous ( expressed ) green/labs. If the "leopard trait" was homozygous it should have been proven already. I may very well be jumping the gun, but have certainly looked, before I leaped. I do not believe it's a morph at all ( the leopard ). I believe it's a pattern mutation involving burms that are heterozygous for both green & labyrinth. I think the homozygous form ( green/labs ) will look completely different from the "leopards". Time will tell, until then I agree with what ben stated.
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

I've got somem pictures of your snake when it was smaller. I actually knew the person who was keeping it before you got it. Just drop me a message and I can send them to ya if you want.