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ID help please.

silentchaos May 21, 2007 09:48 PM

large one

small one

Both of these snakes were found in north western alabama, in a field behind my house. I think they are either prairie or mole king snakes, but i am very uncertain. Any help will be appreciated.

Replies (7)

CrimsonKing May 21, 2007 10:02 PM

Yes they are
They certainly have the looks of either/both and there is an intergradation area in your state....but looking at the smaller one specifically and his smaller, lower count blotches and their shape, I'm leaning toward mole king.
Scale counts would help nail down the i.d.
21-23 =mole

:Mark
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Greg Longhurst May 22, 2007 04:29 AM

I agree with Mark. According to one book I checked, it would be a bit of a range extension for that to be a prairie. Conant's range map places the mole in Alabama, but the prairie doesn't even enter the state. Both are nice looking snakes.

~~Greg~~

skronkykong May 22, 2007 02:08 PM

The head of the first snake looks like that of a rat snake...kind of confusing. But as far as pattern goes its more like that of a mole kingsnake than prairie. Plus if the range of prairies doesn't extend that far then that rules them out.

silentchaos May 22, 2007 02:30 PM

I did not know prairie king snakes lived near me until i started looking for an id for these snakes, a book i read had the pairie king snake in south east tn ( i can nearly throw a rock into tn) so i was unsure. I will try to get a scale count if it will hold still.

Thanks for the help. =)

silentchaos May 22, 2007 02:32 PM

Errr i meant south west tn. =p

Snake_Master May 23, 2007 09:23 PM

Hey would you mind emailing me at zach_sylvania_08@yahoo.com. Im from Dekalb county and would like to hear more about the kings you are finding. Ive been hearing several reports from lawrence county.

silentchaos May 22, 2007 03:55 PM

By my count it has 23 rows of scales at mid body.

Here are pics that can be used to count the scales and to get a better look at them.

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