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What is really interesting about Jeremy's newest creation is this. Just some food for thought...

I have been thinking for a while that "Super" forms of the Motley will kind of just "pick a color" to exhibit and go with it. Some day I think we will see an all orange, all red Motley or an all yellow one or who knows? Will all Super Motley Albinos be totally white? Who knows? In the super forms, you kind of get one particular color "tone" and all you see pretty much are slight variations on that color. Some have been really black as new borns. Some have been dark gray and of course the first maybe "super" or whatever that was, that popped out the purple patternless kid(s). So I have been thinking that they "pick the color". Maybe they do, maybe they don't.

Now this new creature shocks us looking as white a white gets. So what color did this double Motley Albino pick? It could have been utterly black if it wasn't also an Albino leaving only white showing after the Albino would not allow the production of any melanin. It could have been gray instead couldn't it, if it was not Albino? Maybe purple? Who knows. But my big questions about this are these;

I have always thought as probably everyone else has seen that many Motleys actually almost look anerythristic. Despite the fact that they are not, they often look it. Does that play into what we see in Super Motleys or not? So did those Super Motley Albinos "pick" white or is it doing something more? If in fact "white" or actually black was "picked" why wouldn't the yellow and red underlying influence still be under that now missing black? Did it in fact remove everything but black or shades of black? In other words, is that animal actually anerythristic and axanthic too?

I predict that that animal will stay white. I really hope that is does as that is something really sought after for years in Boas. But, the real telltale giveaway I think are the eyes. Normal Albinos only have a pink pupil. This animal's entire eye is pink! I believe that is because there is no other color influence present in this animal. I do not know if there are other examples is herps where the entire eye is pink like that. I would love to hear about it if there is. I will out on a limb and predict that she will stay white! The eyes have it! What a SAHWEEET thing to see! Congrats again Jeremy! Very very cool!
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of an "albino" aligator that was stark white with solid pink eyes just like that boa..... very curious indeed!

but ALL albino gators are born with patterns....white on different white....they lose it as they get older.....I have raised a couple

Some of the same things have been going through my mind since I first saw the super albino a few days ago. I agree with you in that I think it will stay white and with different combinations I think and hope we will be able to produce solid different colored boas.

No we only have to wait for the new name to be given to this new designer morph. I only hope (and this is just my personal opinion) that it wont be called the blizzard boa. We waited too long, and reached the goal in such a unique way that I think the term "blizzard" would just be selling this beauty short. Just my 2 cents lol!

No need for a designer name. Keep it simple, Albino Super Motley.
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Works for me, at least thats what Iv'e been calling it the last few years, lol.

Yeah, I like keeping it simple. On Jeremy's Blog he says he's going to call them Albino Super Motleys.

Ball Pythons are crazy with all the designer names. Too confusing for someone starting out to learn it all.
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np

Will look like?Has any one started this project?I think a bloody hypo super motley will be red.Add albino gene Would it be sunglo red? Boas are becoming very interesting and thinking of combos is alot more interesting then 10 years ago.I still love the super jungle .Thay are just beautiful just left alone color and simple pattern just can't beat them.
Can't wait to see what happens in the next ten years
Mike

I thought to my self..after reading the forums for the past year and a half.. that the albino super motley would look like a granite ..type albino..some what like a albino granite burm...from seeing Pauls (pbm?)super motley get spotty after time.. ...I also seen a gray patternless super...but wasn't an albino,,neither was.

Jeremys super.. is kind of like a blazing blizzard leopard gecko (red eyes).

Well it is exciting project..and its pretty much at the begining ..I was wondering to myself..that Jeremys super albino was produced from het to het....what will happen when the albino gene is at the front line..?
I am also a little confused at why did Adamc produce 3 supers and normals in the same litter? I thought all motley to motley breeding would be all motley out come? any ways it's fun to be a part of !..a couple of mine to try some day.


male albino @3' and the 100% het female @6'.

>>What is really interesting about Jeremy's newest creation is this. Just some food for thought...
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>>I have been thinking for a while that "Super" forms of the Motley will kind of just "pick a color" to exhibit and go with it. Some day I think we will see an all orange, all red Motley or an all yellow one or who knows? Will all Super Motley Albinos be totally white? Who knows? In the super forms, you kind of get one particular color "tone" and all you see pretty much are slight variations on that color. Some have been really black as new borns. Some have been dark gray and of course the first maybe "super" or whatever that was, that popped out the purple patternless kid(s). So I have been thinking that they "pick the color". Maybe they do, maybe they don't.
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>>Now this new creature shocks us looking as white a white gets. So what color did this double Motley Albino pick? It could have been utterly black if it wasn't also an Albino leaving only white showing after the Albino would not allow the production of any melanin. It could have been gray instead couldn't it, if it was not Albino? Maybe purple? Who knows. But my big questions about this are these;
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>>I have always thought as probably everyone else has seen that many Motleys actually almost look anerythristic. Despite the fact that they are not, they often look it. Does that play into what we see in Super Motleys or not? So did those Super Motley Albinos "pick" white or is it doing something more? If in fact "white" or actually black was "picked" why wouldn't the yellow and red underlying influence still be under that now missing black? Did it in fact remove everything but black or shades of black? In other words, is that animal actually anerythristic and axanthic too?
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>>I predict that that animal will stay white. I really hope that is does as that is something really sought after for years in Boas. But, the real telltale giveaway I think are the eyes. Normal Albinos only have a pink pupil. This animal's entire eye is pink! I believe that is because there is no other color influence present in this animal. I do not know if there are other examples is herps where the entire eye is pink like that. I would love to hear about it if there is. I will out on a limb and predict that she will stay white! The eyes have it! What a SAHWEEET thing to see! Congrats again Jeremy! Very very cool!
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A Motley X Motley breeding will get you about the following:

25% Normal
50% Motley
25% Super Motley

That is a great looking female het Motley! I love that wicked pattern!
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We had no normals in our motley x motley breeding. The numbers were 5 Supers and 7 Motleys.

That female is AWESOME!
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thanks Chris..you don't like the male motley?..bad picture.
did you sell all boas to go fishing..lol? thats like watching paint dry...http://www.tppainting.com/
>>That female is AWESOME!
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but that females pattern is awesome, and very unique...as far as fishing goes, I still don't have time...I go but not nearly enough!
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The Snow Ball Python has an entirely red eye. The Super Motleys have solid color eyes which may have lead to the red.

The Purple Patternless were from Motley X "?" so if those could be figured out maybe the Albino would be different, especially with a Sharp that seems to have a wider spectrum than Kahls.

I think ALL Colombian Super Motley Kahl Albinos will be White. That's just my opinion. The Colombian Supers seem to all be solid black as they age, even if a shade off when younger.

The CA Super Motley (Panamanian in origin) may produce a different Albino but that would be due to the speckling that the CA Super Motleys seem to get.
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I did not know that the Colombian Super Motleys had all black eyes or that they are really black as adults. The black eyes tend to lend more to the theory that they "pick" a color and run with it. If that is the case we could see Super Albino Motleys in any range of colors from white to yellow to the reddest red seen in the best Sunglow's tails. I can't wait to see more!

However, in fact I have not seen a picture of any adult Colombian Super Motley yet. I would like to see one very much and have requested such several times within the past month without anyone volunteering to post any other than Linda H's super which isn't black or an adult. At least not in the picture that was posted. If you or anyone else knows of a picture of one, I for one would LOVE to see it!
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Here is a picture Tracy Barker posted on another thread. Tracy I hope you don't mind me using the picture here.

The eyes are solid Black.

The other info I added about them turning very Black as adults was from a few posts down. A thread about the Albino Super Motley and Jeremy replied about the Supers darkening with age. He said he will bring one to Daytona too for people to see them.

The post: http://forums.kingsnake.com/view.php?id=1316300,1316544
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Thats a great post Jeff! I have not seen a ton of Super Motleys, but it will be great to see the results of a Super Motley bred to a Super Motley and see how assorted those colors are! Also, will the Sharp strain Super Motley albino be all white???

John

In leopard geckos there is a black eyed trait called "eclipse" that turns all red when mixed with the various types of albinos...
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