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Enclosure Set-Up

badcompnay May 24, 2007 07:19 PM

Hello everyone!

I have a 2 Year Old BRB shes been great since day one! super tame and very frienly!

Right now shes a lil under 4 feet long if not 4 feet exact! i have her in a 30 gallon set up. I keep a UTH (appropriately sized) and a 75 Watt Infared Bulb, both of them are on 24 hours a day...Is that a problem??

I keep the AC off in my house during the day and open all the curtains (i live in Miami Florida) and at night the AC gets to be at like 70. shes got a huge water bowl in the middle (against the back, not literally in the middle).

The bulb is angled over to her kool side and above the water bowl. I keep some wood for her to climb on and as for substrate im using "Jungle Floor" on the bottom and a mulch mix i think its called "Forest Floor" on top

The jungle floor hold more humidity while the forest floor kinda dries out, i keep moss all over for her to hide under but i try to achieve microclimates in the tank.

Her kool side temps get to mid to high 70s during the day and her hot side at abt mid to high 80's

at night they get in the low 70's and then in the lower 80's.

AND she gets misted abt twice a day...im working on gettin a better humidity guage. just have one of those little analog ones from flukers.

How does my set-up sound to anyone??
Any suggestions for better humidty??
Are temps ok?? and so.....

any and all suggestions would go a long way!!!

Replies (11)

TimOsborne May 24, 2007 10:04 PM

That infared bulb is going to dry things out a lot. I would turn it off for a few days, and completely cover the top of your tank w/ plastic wrap.

After a few days, check the temps (you are a bit to high anyway, a high of 85 is just fine).

Also, I would construct a hide box - basically just a rubbermaid type container with some holes in it full of damp spaghnum.. your brb will love it!!

I am sure dave will post his humidity 101 for you.. there is some really good info there.

>>Hello everyone!
>>
>>I have a 2 Year Old BRB shes been great since day one! super tame and very frienly!
>>
>>Right now shes a lil under 4 feet long if not 4 feet exact! i have her in a 30 gallon set up. I keep a UTH (appropriately sized) and a 75 Watt Infared Bulb, both of them are on 24 hours a day...Is that a problem??
>>
>> I keep the AC off in my house during the day and open all the curtains (i live in Miami Florida) and at night the AC gets to be at like 70. shes got a huge water bowl in the middle (against the back, not literally in the middle).
>>
>>The bulb is angled over to her kool side and above the water bowl. I keep some wood for her to climb on and as for substrate im using "Jungle Floor" on the bottom and a mulch mix i think its called "Forest Floor" on top
>>
>>The jungle floor hold more humidity while the forest floor kinda dries out, i keep moss all over for her to hide under but i try to achieve microclimates in the tank.
>>
>>Her kool side temps get to mid to high 70s during the day and her hot side at abt mid to high 80's
>>
>>at night they get in the low 70's and then in the lower 80's.
>>
>>AND she gets misted abt twice a day...im working on gettin a better humidity guage. just have one of those little analog ones from flukers.
>>
>>How does my set-up sound to anyone??
>>Any suggestions for better humidty??
>>Are temps ok?? and so.....
>>
>>any and all suggestions would go a long way!!!
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rainbowsrus May 24, 2007 11:02 PM

Rainbow humidity 101

Since this topic comes up from time to time, I've created a document with all my answers. Not steadfast rules and/or guidelines, just what works for me.

Being from tropical rain forests, Rainbow Boas require high humidity. There are three basic factors to humidity:

Evaporation - is the process of water molecules becoming airborne.

Dissipation - The natural tendency of airborne water particles is to spread out as far apart as possible.

Condensation - warm moist air contacting a cooler surface will cause the water molecules to condense into droplets on the cool surface.

The number one mistake made with rainbow boas is to give them lots of ventilation. They really do not require much oxygen. They've even been reported to submerge under water for up to 30 minutes at a time. That ventilation will allow all those precious airborne water molecules to dissipate into your house. Unless your house is humid, many more will leave than enter. This will result in the enclosure drying out.

Many keepers use misting regimens to keep humidity levels up. IMO, you need to set up the environment so it will automatically be humid. Here are the steps I take to provide that environment.

1) LIMIT VENTILATION - my cages at around 6 cubic feet only have one two inch round vent each. More than enough for air exchange.

2) Provide LARGE surface area water bowls. Remember, the larger the surface area, the more water will evaporate.

3) I provide damp hide boxes. A sweater box size for adults with holes in the sides. An inch of peat moss and another inch of green moss. All kept damp

4) Depending on your enclosure you can fine tune your system by moving the water bowl around. Closer to the warm end and more evaporation, closer to the cool end and less.

My cages:


A moss box:


Thanks for reading and I hope this helps.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
21.29 BRB
19.19 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

rainbowsrus May 24, 2007 11:05 PM

Brazilian Rainbow Boa Care Sheet

Description

Brazilian Rainbow boas (BRB) are a subspecies of Epicrates cenchria, commonly known as Rainbow Boas. The range of BRBs is quite large. It includes northern Peru and Brazil, southern Venezuela and Guyana and much of Surinam and French Guiana. Although not endangered, due to habitat destruction they are not common in their range. They are a semi-arboreal, slender-bodied snake with an adult size of 5-7 feet, females being slightly larger than males. They have beautiful coloration ranging from a deep red to orange, sometimes brown, with dark rings down their back, and several rows of dark spots along their sides, the first row that is highlighted by bright, light-colored crescents.

They get their name from their incredible iridescence caused by microscopic ridges on their scales that act like prisms to turn light into rainbows.

Housing

Neonates and sub-adults do very well housed in Rubbermaid containers or similar. Adults need a minimum of somewhere around 4 to 6 square feet of caging. Substrates that BRBs do well on include sphagnum/peat moss, Care fresh, newspaper, and cypress mulch. I keep mine on a layer of dimpled craft paper with a couple of layers of newspaper underneath for added absorbency. Neonates require a much higher humidity level than adults and can be housed successfully on paper towels. With such high humidity comes mold, therefore attention must be kept to maintaining very clean cages. They should have free access to a large bowl of fresh water at all times (large enough to soak in). As adults they will usually drink large amounts of water and will not require nearly as high relative humidity in their cages. Unless they are on several inches of loose substrate that they can burrow in, they should also be provided with adequate hiding spots. Though not an absolute necessity, perches and shelves can be added to the enclosure.

Common mistake - using a fish tank with a screen top, This will lose most of the humidity and dry out your BRB. If not corrected will lead to Upper respiratory problems and death.

Temperature and Humidity

They are more tolerant of lower ambient temperatures than many other boids, though they cannot tolerate excessive heat well. They should have a temperature gradient of 75 - 83 degrees. Temperatures exceeding 85 degrees can be fatal.

Common mistake - measuring temps at mid cage. BRBs will spend most of their time on the cage floor, this is where the temps should be measured.

Adult BRBs require a minimum humidity level of 75% . Should humidity drop into the 60's or 50's for an extended period of time the results can be respiratory infections, regurgitation, and death by dehydration. For my adults I make a "damp hide" from a sweaterbox size tub with two access holes in one side. I put 1 inch of peat moss and one inch of green moss. Both nice and damp. They love to hang out in there and come out to explore at night.

Neonates should be kept at or near 95% humidity. I accomplish this with a fairly tight fitting shoebox rack. There's always condensation at the front. Temps for babies should be right around 77 degrees.

Humidity is affected by two factors, evaporation and dissipation. The larger surface area water dishes will evaporate more into the air. By minimizing ventilation, you will keep that humidity in the enclosure.

Common mistake - thinking daily spritzing will make up for lack of natural humidity. If your enclosure is set up properly with adequate water sources and minimal ventilation, spritzing is not required.

Handling

BRBs can be somewhat nervous snakes. Babies are born striking at anything, but with regular, gentle handling they can tame down quite nicely to become acceptable pets. As babies, let them strike at you, bite you and even chew on you. This will show them you will not be chased away by those actions and they will soon learn the big bad hand is nothing to be afraid of. Pick up the baby with a steady non-tentative action. The baby will typically be coiled or piled in one spot. Aim for the side away from the mouth and just do it! If you are bit, there will be minimal pain and quite likely several pinholes in your skin. Resist the urge to pull back, that will only make it worse. BRB's have teeth that curve backwards to hold onto their prey. If you pull away, you will tear your skin and could easily damage some of their teeth.

They are typically a more active snake when being held than your average boa, seemingly always on the move. This is not to say that they will not grip on to you tightly, these boas keep a good hold. Be careful when holding not to startle them, as rainbows can nip when scared.

Feeding

BRBs are voracious feeders that feed primarily on rodents, birds, lizards, and possibly aquatic life forms as well. In captivity they eat mice and rats approximately the same size as the largest part of the snakes girth. Neonates are born large enough to take hopper mice and rat pinkies. If these boas refuse food, their husbandry should be carefully examined. Stress, poor husbandry, or illness is the likely causes of a BRB that refuses to eat.

Babies should be fed on a schedule of from once every four days to once a week. Most of them will continue to feed even when they are opaque prior to shedding. These snakes are born large enough to take hopper mice as their first meal. Many of mine have done well starting out on rat pinkies. A reluctant snake may be induced to feed by placing it in a small tub or even a paper bag along with the food item. Place the smaller container back in the secure cage in case the baby escapes and leave it for an hour, if still not eating, can be left overnight.

Common mistake - feeding pinky mice to baby BRBs. If you have an unlimited source of pinky mice then go ahead but be prepared to feed several to each baby at each feeding.
A mouse pinky will make a very small lump in a baby BRB and be digested down so that the lump is no longer externally visible within 24 hours.

BRBs will grow rapidly on one appropriately sized mice/rats a week. Yearlings often grow to 48 inches in length though 36 to 40 inches is more typical. Many two-year-olds are four and a half to five feet long. Females and males are not significantly different in size. Adult males can do well on 20 medium sized rats per year. A breeding female will require two to three times as much to eat.

BRBs are often overfed to obesity in captivity as adults. At 2', the snake is large enough for pinkie rats and jumper mice. At 3', it is capable of consuming adult mice and young rats. Feed at least once every 10 days, when the snake begins feeding on large meals such as rats feeding can occur less frequently. Avoid handling after a sizable meal; it is stressful and may cause regurgitation. Many animals may be conditioned to accept pre-killed or thawed warmed rodents at feed time. This technique is safer, than feeding live rodents since this prevents the snake from being bitten by a rodent. Live feeders should be avoided except for the few (very few) snakes that will not eat anything else. Never leave a live rodent in the with a snake unattended. A rodent can cause serious damage to your pet!

Never handle rodents and then handle a snake; you may be mistaken as food. Develop proper feeding habits. As the snake grows it may be wise to feed the snake only dead rodents and move it to a feeding container prior to food offering. If moved to a feeding container for all feedings it may become conditioned not to expect food while in its' cage. This may reduce the possibility of being mistaken as a food item by an over zealous feeder. Best method is to place dead rodent in container and let snake discover it, encourages gentle food acquisition. Maintain accurate feeding and health records.

Shedding

Shedding is dependent on the animal's growth rate and condition and may occur every 3 - 6 weeks. They may refuse feeding attempts while shedding. Increase the humidity as a rainbow approaches a shed, this helps to avoid dry shed. With proper humidity, the shed should come off without shredding. Can easily get torn but should not be tattered. If the snake is having a bad shed where parts are stuck on, wet a pillowcase, put snake in pillowcase and tie knot in pillowcase to prevent snake from getting out. Place pillowcase back in enclosure at a neutral temp location and leave for a couple of hours. If still not fully shed, you can continue pillow case treatment overnight.

Breeding

BRB breeding practice is similar to that of the common boa. They can produce litters with up to 35 young. They can be bred as early as 2.5 years providing they are meet minimum size and weight requirements of 5 feet and weighing more than 3.5 pounds for females. Another six inches of length and pound of weight is more appropriate and should produce a larger first litter with less strain on the snake. Males should be 5 feet and 2.75 pounds, though many are this size at 30 months, they usually won't breed until 42 months. They should not be bred unless they are extremely healthy, as breeding takes a lot out of them.

Cooling is necessary for successful production of egg and sperm cells. Breeding may be induced by night time temperature drops down to 68 - 72F and daytime temperatures in the low 80's. Reduction of light cycle from 12 - 14 hours to 8 hours and misting the animals with warm water prove beneficial. BRBs will usually begin breeding within a few weeks of being warmed back up after the cooling period. Females will show a very marked mid body ovulatory lump for several hours. This lump is usually not seen because it lasts for such a short time. Most gravid females will refuse to feed. They will sometimes take a very small prey animal while they are gravid. Many females will become enormously large in the back half of their body and look very emaciated in the front half late in the gestation. Reproduction takes an extreme amount of energy and should only be attempted with very healthy adults. Gestation lasts approximately five months.

The female will often appear restless and cruise around the cage as if looking for something for a day or two before laying. Laying often occurs during weather changes. Female snakes should not be disturbed while they are laying as this may cause them to interrupt oviposition which can lead to incidences of stillborn babies.

Females often eat recently laid infertile slugs. I have never witnessed a female eating babies but recognize that the possibility exists for a snake which is picking through a pile of live babies and slugs to possible devour a newborn baby accidentally. For this reason I try to remove the babies from the mother soon after they are born.

Baby BRBs are born in litters of two to thirty five. A typical litter contains twelve to twenty five babies. Babies are born 15-20 inches, and show pale, washed out coloration. The babies will color up significantly over the first few sheds. Ultimate coloring can take 18 months to show.

Most babies start out striking at anything that moves, it's either food or needs to be chased away. They can be readily tamed with direct, calm handling gently and regularly over the first few weeks. They will often eat before they have shed. The first shed usually occurs after 10 to 14 days from birth.

They need to be kept at temperatures near 77 degrees and in high humidity. Temperatures above 85 degrees can cause fatalities in Brazilian Rainbows. Baby Brazilian Rainbows require humidity above 70 percent. They will do well kept individually in plastic shoeboxes until they are about 24 inches long and can then be moved into larger plastic storage containers or box type cages.

BRBs are difficult to sex based on visible external differences until they are about three years old. Young ones can be sexed by probing. Females will probe a distance of two to four subcaudal scales and males will probe to a depth of eight to twelve subcaudal scales. They can also be sexed by palpitation or popping. All three methods require someone experienced in sexing snakes. Adult males have substantially larger spurs along the side of the vent and also have noticeably thicker bases of their tails due to the invaginated hemipenes. After about eight years of age the heads of both sexes are noticeably larger than on nearly similar sized young adults. This phenomenon of the enlarged head on older animals seems to be more pronounced on red and orange animals than on brownish specimens. This phenomenon also occurs with older Peruvian Rainbows.

Morphs

There are an increasing number of BRB morphs being discovered. Though many of them are still unproven, current BRB morphs include but not limited to:

Anerythristic - lack or red pigmentation, results in a brown or taupe with white crescents.
Hypomelanistic - reduction of melanin resulting in a snake with brown orange and yellow patterning and significantly lighter markings.
Bullseye - Side crescents where some degree of full circling occurs with dark center.
Eclipse - Side blotches (oceli) where there is little to no crescents.
Blush - Side oceli where the crescent color is speckled through the pattern.
Striped (dorsal) - striping down the back.
Striped (lateral) - merging of individual oceli to make lateral stripes on the sides.
Clown - large oversized oceli
Calico - white scales typically outlining the dorsal patterns
Albino - Lack of melanin (or lack of expressing melanin) resulting in a white snake with orange markings. Very secretive and not many exist.

Dave Colling, Rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
21.29 BRB
19.19 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

badcompnay May 25, 2007 12:09 AM

so how exactly should i stop ventilation, my tank has a screen top =( and i keep an infared light and a UTH on a rheostat on the lowest setting. ill find a way to lower the temps a lil more but my main concern in humidity. how should i cover everything while still using the light? or should i take the light off completely and just leave the UTH???? i use the light to keep an ambient temp in the mid to high 70's and obviously her hot spot is in the 80's i try to keep them lower than 87, sometimes its tricky tho...i try to acheive microclimates i kno it may be a lil drier up top but as u dig in the enclosure it gets more humid and a lil more damp....its all deep enough for her to dig herself down....

i really appreciate the care sheet and humidity 101 i will definetly print both of ur care sheets out and guide myself by that...i would just like to kno how to cover my tank.

PS ill get started on that hide box...but should it be on her cool side or the hot side? or does it even matter?

rainbowsrus May 25, 2007 01:17 AM

IMO loose the heat lamp, cover the screen most of the way with any type of plastic to close off the cage top, Only leave a half inch or so open for ventilation. Really, they don't need lots of "fresh" air. Watch you temps, closing the top will increase heat t=retention as well although you';re removi ng a heat source so temps may well go down. One other thing you can do to help stabilize the tank is to cover three sides (outside the tank) with insulation. I like the reflectix brand, looks like foil covered bubble wrap.

If you get ambients in the mid to upper 70's, then won't matter where the humid hide is.

Did I mention I really don't like glass fish tanks for keeping BRB's
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
21.29 BRB
19.19 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

badcompnay May 25, 2007 11:42 AM

so i think this is what i might do... for now ive turned off the infrared light and covered the top with a towel and left a lil corner open. im thinking of taking the measurements of the cage with the top off and finding a plastic cover of sorts and maybe just drilling a couple of small holes in like a lil cluster in a corner or two. i think ill take out all the dried out substrate i have and ill throw in some new one to start with good humidity again. ill find a rubbermaid / sterilite container big enough to fit her size and line it with peat moss and regular moss.

rainbowsrus May 25, 2007 11:57 AM

My 2' x 2' x 18" cage sections each have one 2" round vent, that's it!

Just remember, you may have to adjust and tweak your setup until you get it where you want. If memory serves, you have the heat pad on a rheostat? I'd also invest in a nice thermostat. For a single cage application, I like the Helix DBS-1000. I have many and they have all worked just fine for me.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
21.29 BRB
19.19 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

badcompnay May 25, 2007 12:15 PM

Right, im sure im going to have alot of tweaking to do with it to get it right but i think once i control the ventilation ill have a much better chance of getting what i want much faster than now...my target humidty is around 75-80%...what do you use to check your humidity levels?

I think maybe going to Wal-Mart or Target i might be ale to find the plastic top for the cage, i would like to ensure a snug fit to really have it as tight as possible. its a 30 gallon so its 36 Long x 18 Deep x 12 High so i need some kinf of cover around 36 x 18, dont think ill have to much trouble looking for it i hope!

The well being of my boa is very important to me and ive been trying to do many many man techniques and tricks to make it as natural as possible for her.

Im thinking about putting the hide box on her kool side and ike almost making it look natural by like covering it with moss and just having the holes exposed. (my big thing is making it as natural as possible to her true enviornment)

ill keep u guys posted and ill take some pics of the tank now and the tank after i do all the mods.

Thanks alot guys i really appreciate all the help!

--Anthony

rainbowsrus May 25, 2007 12:25 PM

Honestly, I don't ever measure humidity, don't even own a gauge. I judge humidity by condensation on glass and mostly by shed quality!!
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
21.29 BRB
19.19 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

badcompnay May 25, 2007 03:29 PM

well i want to target and tried to find a plastic cover with no luck....fortunately a friend that works at the local herp shop recomended i try plexiglass...anyone think thats a good idea? only problem i have goin into that is i can get a piece thin enough to slide in to the grooves of the tank but i would have no support in the back...unless maybe i get a piece of 1x1 wood and make tiny supports stretching down the lenght of the tank....or i can maybe use some L shapped supports for shelving and what not and just glue it onto the tank....

let me know if anyone has any other ideas that might come in handy....its a standard 30 gallon tank measuring 36x18x12

miloradovich May 25, 2007 03:38 PM

Back when I used screen top, glass aquariums I would just cut plexi-glass to size and silicone it to the cage's original top. So your still using the cage lid as is, just covering up the screen.

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