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So to those of you debating names for all the various cali king morphs...

Does the name "Mosaic" stick?

Or are they just "aberrant" now?

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Mike
KingPin Reptiles Inc.
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^ Updated 5/25

Don't know for sure but I believe it is inheritable and predictable. If that is the case then yes, it's a true morph and if the originator calls it "mosaic" then that's what it should be called.

so the name should be a keeper.

does anyone know where this line started....???
I know BHB had them years ago (late 90's?) and Don Shores worked with them for a few as well....

byron.d

I really don't know enough about this this trait.

Is it dominant or codominant? Is there a super form? If you breed a mosaic to a normal do you get all mosaics??

I've heard that it's dominant. Breeding a Mosaic to a normal will will up about half Mosaics.
From what I understand, there is no super form... Mosaic to Mosaic will yield all Mosaics but not all will be 'perfect'...

I've never produced them.... my group will breed next year.

no idea if that helps... just what i've learned about them..

byron.d

I thought mosaic cal kings are just an aberancy and not a reccessive trait?

Didn't a locale of eastern king have the mosaic name first?
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"Yeah ya told me, and ya wrote it down too. But how the hell am I supposed to remember!"

They are not recessive...but just an aberrancy...similar to spotteds. Not recessive in the least. Predictable...yes. No different than High Whites (not recessive). High Whites are just an aberrancy...but somewhat predictable.

Kerby...
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Lonesome Valley Reptiles
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Specializing In California Kingsnakes

Do you work with Mosaics?
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Mike
KingPin Reptiles Inc.
www.kingpinreptiles.com
^ Updated 5/25

Do you have any history on them??

byron.d

Thats not what I have heard. It is a pretty distinctive looking phenomena to just be random. And they all look the same. I have never seen a partial mosaic.

Not saying Kerby is wrong but everyone I've seen looks pretty much the same, not like hi-whites where it is pretty clear you can see remnants of stripes, bands and abberrancies in all but the very best ones.

Well Kerby is our resident cal king morph expert and I also think this is nothing but an abberancy. I remember when some of these came on the scene and it was nothing special.

Breed a high white and you get high whites. Breed a high black ( ex:mosaic) and get mostly black. Since the black coloration is more of a dominant trait than the white/yellow in cal kings I can where the confusion comes from.

Cal kings tend to be black. Breeding a high white is much harder to do since trying to wash out the black is harder..
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"Yeah ya told me, and ya wrote it down too. But how the hell am I supposed to remember!"

I talked to Brian at B.H.B. 6 years ago when I was considering getting them and he said that they don't breed true. It is an aberrancy...I don't recall the history of how they were originated.

Brian had said that they were line bred to increase the chances of prodcing them. He had bred 2 together and had only produced a few. Bred back and had a higher percentage of them in a clutch (like any other aberrancy IMO). It is not a recessive gene.

I have never bred them. This is just my opinion based on Brian's conversation 6 years ago.

Kerby...
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Lonesome Valley Reptiles
www.lonesomevalleyreptiles.com
Specializing In California Kingsnakes

Geeeez. I just re-read my post and it makes no sense at all. LOL! Lost in cyberspace.
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"Yeah ya told me, and ya wrote it down too. But how the hell am I supposed to remember!"