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A "Prodigy Boa" History

boaphile May 27, 2007 04:29 PM

Way way back in 1993 I acquired a mess of baby Boas from a fellow who has long since left the Boa hobby. I traded some Peruvian Red Tail Boas for a mess of baby Boas, 1.3 of which I kept. The fellow sent me a couple pictures of some really colorful babies and I had to have them. He also sent a little cash to make the deal complete and I was in the "Prodigy Boa" business. I just didn't know it yet.

I raised the babies and eventually bred one of the females. The other two females from the group, were actually much more beautiful than the one that I did breed successfully. I never did breed the other two females. The female that was bred successfully produced her first litter in 1999. Clay English acquired a group of 1.2 of those babies in the Spring of 2000 pictured below shortly after he received them:

Clay bought them despite my relatively high price of $180.00 for each animal that was not identified as anything other than a beautiful baby Boa. I never mentioned to Clay that at least one of them was in fact het for Prodigy Boa. Clay called these his "High Orange" Boas for years. In fact the mother of these babies is Clay and his family's favorite Boa and has been for years. Her name is Delilah. She is pictured below:

This is the picture used to actually create his web site's logo. Here is his logo:

I had not posted them for sale with the name of the bloodline though most of the time I do. I did not even have the foresight to call them "Prodigy Boas", so short sighted was I. Clay would have to take the bull by the proverbial horns and do that himself. Often I can be a little slow.

In the mean time, Clay is looking on kingsnake.com and finds this great looking nearly white Pastel Colombian male for sale for, I believe $85.00. He was nearly white as a little fella. Clay had to have him so his purchase was wisely made. Clay calls him the "California Dude". Here is a photo of the Dude and Daddy of the Prodigy Boa babies:

Both Delilah and the "California Dude", as Clay calls him, have produced babies in the past. However, nothing freaky had every popped up before the litter born on April 20, 2007! Here is a picture of the two of them in the throes of passion taken this past fall:

Nothing could prepare Clay for what he would find in that litter as a morph whacko Clay is not. He loves his Boas but has resisted getting into any of the high end morphs because Boas have been a fascination and a hobby which is how Clay wished it to stay. However, on that morning in April, Clay was dragged kicking and screaming into the high end Boa world like it or not!

This is the sight Clay was greeted with that morning:

Click here for a large image of the babies in the goo!

The weird thing was, Clay had not been expecting anything like this to happen. I hadn't prepared him for this inevitable result from breeding these two animals together. Of course I hadn't told him because I had not idea obviously either! Here is a shot of the entire litter in a tub together:

It is patently obvious we have approximately a one in four ratio of babies pointing the likelihood that both parents are in fact both het for a simple recessive trait, that trait being the "Prodigy Boa". The actual ratio was almost three in four but that numbers. Sometimes a little more than 25% and sometimes a little less. There were 22 babies in the litter of which seven are "Prodigy Boas". Neither parent exhibits these traits, despite the breeding two completely unrelated parents, so far as we know, they happen to both be het for Prodigy. Is that cool or what? A very exciting occurrence to be sure.

Clay emailed me and Mark Miller that morning asking about "some new form of Hypo" that must have had born. Oh yea baby! A new form of Hypo all right! Both Mark and I knew what he had and were very very happy for him. I knew that those babies came from a female that came from me and after a bit of detective work, I confirmed my suspicion as far as the bloodline the female had come from. Needless to say, I too am a happy Boa keeper today.

They have since shed and Clay has turned into quite a good photographer snapping tons of pictures of them. He wears me out making me look at the hundreds of pictures he keeps taking. I can't imagine why he is so excited can you? Here are several pictures of the tails of some of the Prodigy babies along side their normal siblings tails:

Here are a couple shots of the Prodigy babies since they have shed:

Most of the Possible hets from the litter appear to be Pastels as well and really beautiful in their own right. What tails on these puppies! Here is one of the Possible hets from the litter:

There is a runty male Prodigy Boa that Clay likes the best of all. I guess I can see why. Here he is:

I think the "Prodigy Boa" future looks bright. It seems there are several bloodlines of "T-Positive" appearing animals out there today. The Paradigm Boas, the VPI Caramel Albinos, one produced by Gerry of ssscales.com fame, one of them found on someone's table last year in Daytona and sold as just a regular Boa, and another fellow I know in Florida that produced three "T-Positive" appearing babies. There is going to be a lot of cool stuff happening out there. I don't believe anyone has actually had a test done to find out if any of those animals in fact are Tyrosinase positive or not. It matters technically I suppose, but in practical application, the look that is seen is what we really care about. This genetic clear reduction in black production is going to make many different types of Boas just that much better. I and Clay look forward to bringing the Prodigy Boa genes into everything else we possibly can. It is going to great fun making Prodigy Motley Boas. Prodigy Jungle Boas. Prodigy Hypomelanistic Boas. Prodigy Pearlescent Boas. The future is endless.

Has this been an unbelievable year for Boas SO FAR or what!?!?!?

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Replies (10)

bthacker May 27, 2007 05:42 PM

Interesting little project...that is awesome. I have a female that looks alot like Clay's....I think there is something going on with this girl....just need more breeding to find out.



And a baby from last year...half the litter turned out to look like her.

Sojourner May 27, 2007 06:01 PM

It has already been an outstanding year! Lucky dawgs!!!

Jesse
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redtailboas May 27, 2007 07:11 PM

Thanks Jeff, you are a much better story teller than I am. LOL
Here are a couple more comparison shots on different color backgrounds.




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DaveyFig May 27, 2007 08:19 PM

While I may just be a hobby boa guy, I feel as though something is missing.It looks like you are saying that both of the parents must be hets for prodigy, and that prodigy is for sure recessive.
Have there been other prodigy litters? Has homozygous prodigy been bred to prodigy to see what happens there? It looks like this project has been a long time in the making, but I have never seen anything like them posted.
Even if you got albinos from 2 wildcaught albinos, you couldn't say that both of the parents are for sure hets without doing more trials right? Flukes happen, and anomolies can turn out to be simple recessives, when proven.
I am not trying to poop in the punch, just curious as to how they can be called genetic, and then to be said to be for sure recessive.
I read the entire post above, and din't see mention of other prodigys having been produced before. I mean no dissrespect, and if they have been produced, and proven to be recessive, I apologize in advance for my ignorance.
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Davey Giltner

Warren_Booth May 28, 2007 02:24 PM

Given the number of 'unusual' boas in this litter, and the ratio being close to the 1.2.1 (homozygous dominant:heterozygous:homozygous recessive) expected for a recessive trait, it seems clear that this is indeed a recessive trait. If the 'prodigy' boa had of been represented as a single animal in this litter then the question would arise that this was a new mutation. As a result it is highly likely that this is indeed a recessive trait. I agree that breeding trials are needed to confirm, but it is unlikely to be anything else.

Regards,
Warren
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Dr Warren Booth
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boaphile May 28, 2007 04:00 PM

And further breeding trials is exactly what we plan. Certainly none will be sold till additional breeding trials have been done and then who knows? With my record, I may still not be selling any. I think Clay will sell some though. He has far better self control than I.
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DaveyFig May 28, 2007 05:16 PM

Thank you for answering, I am glad someone did. I couldn't tell if what was being said is that the grnadmother of this litter was of the same phenotype or not. Nobody ever came out and said "The mother was a prodigy", so it was left for us to assume.
If in fact the grandmother looked like the prodigys, it seems more likely to be a simple recessive. Without her being a prodigy, it is safer to assume that the father that was nearly white as a neonate was of some type of codominant and the main contributor to the look of the babies, and that the cleanliness and color of the mother when bred to this codominant male produced something different than was seen in other litters. The quick route to see if it is recessive would be to breed that male to one of the others that have to be het as well right? ANything produced by the female Jeff had/has, should be 100% het if this is how the mutation is working.
Mother nature doesn't use a punnet square, so basing assumptions on numbers alone, and not the phenotype of the parents didn't seem quite right. It would be no different than if someone bred 2 normals and got an animal that looked to be some sort of anery. You wouldn't say that the parents MUST be het anery, or that the babies are in fact a simple recessive anery without breeding trials.
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Davey Giltner

ajfreptiles May 27, 2007 08:36 PM

Jeff...That is an amazing story!!!! Thanks for sharing!!! This is an Amazing year for Boas!!! Come on Daytona!!!!

Andy
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AshLopez May 28, 2007 05:12 AM

Jeff,

What a FANTASTIC story.

Very inspiring and informative.

Really makes me want to save my money to get one.

Those boa's are truly beautiful.

So all you have to do is.....

find out if your animals are also Gene Carriers !!!!
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boaphile May 28, 2007 11:03 AM
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