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All OT, and it's not even Tuesday....

rainbowsrus May 27, 2007 10:10 PM

So shoot me!

Remember Chester?

Well, the opportunity arose to get his brother as well, couldn't resist that, can always use
a second Sunglow in all my various BCI projects. He was in shed when he came so I waited until he shed to take pics:

Cyrus Sunglow



And the brothers reunited (at least for pics)

Chester & Cyrus


Also came across another deal I couldn't turn down, a pair of really nice Jungles.
Woody Jungle


And
Bo Peep Jungle


Damn, I gotta stop getting new ones!!!! I should be satisfying my need for new ones with my own babies soon!!

And a few new pics of one of my Ghost females Spirit, she is developing these really cool
pink scales scattered around her tail blotches, can't explain it since she Anerythristic, there
shouldn't be any red at all???

Thanks for looking and comments always welcome.

P.S. Go ahead Frank.....hyjack away
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
21.29 BRB
19.19 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Replies (49)

strictly4fun May 27, 2007 10:18 PM

got Frank Martin's website???
Bob

rainbowsrus May 27, 2007 10:52 PM

LOL, I don't think he has one. I've seen ads from him before biut always gave a phone number.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
21.29 BRB
19.19 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

FRoberts May 28, 2007 01:32 PM

if you had listened to Jeff you would know this and may as well go to Daytona to "drool" , you and I have "browsing disorders" BTW....
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

FRoberts May 28, 2007 01:44 PM

we should be careful or we may have to join Dave in the program for "acquisition disorders"
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

FRoberts May 28, 2007 01:48 PM

I am trying very hard not to buy a Budget's frog and or an elephant trunk snake, the pipa pipa are getting to me as well, once you start buying animals that look like that, true addiction has taken hold. I have only wanted these animals for like "forever", so I am holding out rather well.
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

strictly4fun May 28, 2007 02:21 PM

Those jungles Dave got are very light and clean and that would have been cool if you bought a snake that Dave wanted since they both have the "goods" but then again Frank you don't need a beautiful jungle, you need that elephant snake man 53 54 what's the difference between that huh?lol I have a couple of browsing disorders but I know you have more than me, looking at the venomous classifieds even though you don't plan to buy but I bet there are more places that you visit that you won't tell haha (on ks), get that frog if you makes you happy and I frequently visit the bearded dragon forum to see the nice yellows and oranges quite often but that is all you're gonna get out of me
Bob

FRoberts May 28, 2007 02:38 PM

I visit all the "live" reptile and amphibian classifieds on Kingsnake, I can not have croc's either but well hey....they are all listed in my favor places under the sub category, "classifieds", I noticed if you visit daily you do not spend long browsing them....Basically I work, sleep, eat, and defecate, the rest of my time is dedicated to either fishing or cleaning/feeding my collection and hitting kingsnake...boring to some, but that's life to me, and I like it this way!!!!!!!
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

FRoberts May 28, 2007 02:40 PM

jungles I was considering buying, not one but both of them no less.
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

FRoberts May 28, 2007 02:49 PM

once space allows, A male sunglow will be procured, I HAVE TO HAVE ONE TO BE HONEST, but as a matter of responsibly and fairness to the snake , I can not obtain one at this time. Once I get a snake it stays, I have snakes that will NEVER be bred and or used in any "project", I have like 15 reticulated pythons ( my favorite python, also the first python I ever kept and bred when I was younger. I was 11 when I got him!!!! It was not a situation where my parents cared for it, my mom would not even go in my room between him and the caiman lol ). I was not considered a normal kid, thank goodness the sickness caught on to others...I am not alone I am sure lol
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

FRoberts May 28, 2007 02:56 PM

when I was little, all the kids where getting those BMX bikes, my parents asked me if I wanted one, I told them no and opted for a 55 gallon aquarium instead, to make a naturalistic terrarium for various amphibians I wanted to keep. I have NEVER had a bicycle, I have rode them however, just not for me, I spent my childhood in the woods and or swamps looking for reptiles and amphibians, no one called them "Herps" back then, and there was not many people or books to go to for information, I learned a lot thru trial and error. I am willing to bet Jeff Clark had similar experiences when he was younger, especially since he is a little bit older than me. He reminds me of the type that was probably a "childhood" geek like I was ( science nerd ) lol.
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

Jeff Clark May 28, 2007 03:15 PM

Frank,
..I was the outdoors science geek type. My dad fished at least twice a week and my brother and I went with him and either fished or snake hunted. The other days of the week we snake hunted closer to home. We had swamps and palmetto thickets and sand hils within a couple miles of us so the hunting was good. We also fished offshore a bunch. Growing up in east central Florida in the 50s and 60s was great. Before the BMX bike craze there was the 10 speed craze and before that was the Schwinn StingRay bike craze. I had the Stingray style and later a 10 speed.
Jeff

>>when I was little, all the kids where getting those BMX bikes, my parents asked me if I wanted one, I told them no and opted for a 55 gallon aquarium instead, to make a naturalistic terrarium for various amphibians I wanted to keep. I have NEVER had a bicycle, I have rode them however, just not for me, I spent my childhood in the woods and or swamps looking for reptiles and amphibians, no one called them "Herps" back then, and there was not many people or books to go to for information, I learned a lot thru trial and error. I am willing to bet Jeff Clark had similar experiences when he was younger, especially since he is a little bit older than me. He reminds me of the type that was probably a "childhood" geek like I was ( science nerd ) lol.
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>>Thanks,
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>>Frank Roberts
>>Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research
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strictly4fun May 28, 2007 03:04 PM

Yes sunglows are nice especially those 2 Dave picked up with the color all the way up the sides OOOHHHHYYYYYEEEEAAAHHHHHH!!!! You have to have one of those, I have to have a coral albino and a black-tailed anery. Yes I do visit a lot of classified ads and it is very easy to keep up with the other boa and boa being that all the ones I peeked at already are pink and not blue but a lot of people re-post their ads everyday in the boa classifieds but whatever they want to do is fine with me. In a few years the brb classifieds may have a second permanent page by then prolly so I guess that is cool that is more snakes for us to look at Yes I hate to see people purchase animals for only trying to make a quick buck in breeding and when that animal has full-filled "their" duties they just sell them never having the intention of keeping the animal until God takes them from us. I have about 8 snakes right now and I only intend to breed one of them (my hypo brb) just to get my money back so I can get some more snakes and caging but I can't get her a mate this year so that sucks and a breeding loan is highly unlikely since I'm only Bob not EBN or Rainbows-R-Us or TooScaley but you get the picture and how do they know how my set-up is or how my husbandry habits are but I plan on keeping a snake forever whenever I purchase it so I highly respect your decision on that Frank and so do your other animals. What a life you got, and soon as I'm able to work my life will be just like yours with the exception of my son but all in all the same and that makes it happy as it does you. Until the next thread is hi-jacked by you Frank take care man lol
Bob

ReneeValois May 29, 2007 10:23 AM

How long are they (range from shortest to longest)? Wow, that's a lot of rabbits! (or whatever it is you feed them...)
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Renee

2.0 amel & anery corns (Foxfire & Daguerre)
1.0 BRB (Loki)

rainbowsrus May 29, 2007 10:31 AM

I'm thinking his neighborhood does not have any problems with stray animals, not a one to be found!
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
21.29 BRB
19.19 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

ReneeValois May 29, 2007 10:33 AM

Ah! The cheap way to feed!
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Renee

2.0 amel & anery corns (Foxfire & Daguerre)
1.0 BRB (Loki)

FRoberts May 29, 2007 11:36 AM

I do not believe in feeding domestic animals to snakes, I did however find some ones lost chicken in my front yard, needless to say, it became "free food" for one of my retics.
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

rainbowsrus May 29, 2007 11:53 AM

Same here, I did think as I wrote my reply, "could get flamed" but then again this is the rainbow forum, no flame throwers, only bic lighters!!


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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
21.29 BRB
19.19 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

FRoberts May 29, 2007 12:21 PM

where kidding around lol
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

FRoberts May 29, 2007 11:33 AM

They range in size from 3 to 17 feet, and yes some eat rabbits, rodent pro makes me finacialy able to feed them, I could not own this many if I where using "pet store" purchased fodder. I own 53 snakes. I also have Burmese and African rocks as well. Not many though, 2 pos het patternless ARocks & 2 Albino Burmese.
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

ReneeValois May 29, 2007 11:38 AM

I've always loved the iridescence of reticulated pythons! That makes them seem a bit like giant BRB's (with a different pattern, of course)!
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Renee

2.0 amel & anery corns (Foxfire & Daguerre)
1.0 BRB (Loki)

FRoberts May 29, 2007 11:43 AM

I love their coloration as well, interestingly, after they eat and the lights go out, they completely change color and look their best. I bet any long term keeper's have seen this at one time or another.
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

strictly4fun May 29, 2007 11:40 AM

Hey Frank are those African Rocks dangerous or what? Which snake in your collection has your most undivided attention if any besides that 17 foot Tiger male?
Bob

FRoberts May 29, 2007 12:18 PM

Hey Frank are those African Rocks dangerous or what? Which snake in your collection has your most undivided attention if any besides that 17 foot Tiger male?
Bob

African Rocks have a very bad reputation like retic's used to have, one is tame ( female ) THE OTHER ( male) A MEAN SOB. They are not so dangerous as long as proper protocol is followed at all times, I do not turn my back on any snake over 6 feet regardless of species.

The 17 foot tiger is a dream to work with, he is hooked trained and has responded well to the training. You open the enclosure slightly and gently tap the snake on the head several times while watching his reactions, this conditions them to know this means it's cleaning time, not feeding time. Even with no "aromas" in the air they still act as if there is, especially if you just invade their territory. So you have to break their feeding response before servicing their enclosure. So they are conditioned to expect food if no hook is being used and also conditioned to know when it's maintenance time as well.

Believe it or not, the one's that I need to be the most careful with are the burmese pythons. One of the ones I keep will not except the concept of having his feeding response broken, until he's in the container I place them into so I can to completely service their enclosure. Most people who are inadvertently killed by pythons are being off 'ed by this particular species, this is because they are not following proper protocol when feeding and or servicing the pythons enclosure. Most commonly it involves the keeper feeding them bare handed and or out of their enclosure. There is a "mental" issue owners should not adopt as well, do not lower your guard because of how placid the snake usually is, THEIR FEEDING RESPONCE MUST BE RESPECTED AT ALL TIMES.

Did I mention one of my retic's eats out of a large dog bowl. Just thaw and warm, put like 10 in bowl and place bowel on opposite side of the enclosure where the snake is not located. Doesn't even constrict, smells them, goes to bowl and eats them one at a time until they are gone. Funny to watch lol.
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

TimOsborne May 29, 2007 12:41 PM

It is also important to remember that larger pythons are sometimes extremely territorial.. big whitelips, paupans, olives etc can be puppy dogs out of their cage, but while in the cage can be rough to handle.

following the rules is without a doubt important.. a mistake with any of the medium - large boas or pythons can be a very costly mistake.

One last protocal that Frank did not mention is the 6' rule.. It is a generally accepted rule that anytime you are working w/ the medium to large species.. atleast 1 experienced handler per 6' of snake is recommended.

In EVERY accidental death in the US in the past 2 years involving large constrictors, the victim was either alone, or only in the company of people that had no experience handling snakes (much less giants).

Just to let it set in (I know alot of people on this board do understand... but for those that don't) This snake is around 14 or 15 ft now and is a puppy dog to handle. She is very sweet and very easy to manage - but she has a blemish in her past. This animal is responsible for the death of a very experienced herper. The young man had kept retics for better then a decade, and his father has kept snakes since long before he was born. But he made a fatal error and attempted to give the snake treatment for some mouth rot - while no one else was around - He paid the ultimate price - Only through education and sharing of experiences is it possible to ensure this doesn't happen again. (BTW, she was only around 11' long when the accident happened). The accident wasn't out of aggression or feeding response, just likely a bit nervous due to the medicating procedure.

BTW, this animal is kept by a close friend of mine, as Patrick's family (the victim) did not want the animal disposed of, they simply did not feel it was the animals fault.. It is their wish that she be used as a tool for education, a wakeup call if you will.. hopefully the story will live on.. and prevent someone else from relaxing their guard and paying the ultimate price.

>>Hey Frank are those African Rocks dangerous or what? Which snake in your collection has your most undivided attention if any besides that 17 foot Tiger male?
>>Bob
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>>African Rocks have a very bad reputation like retic's used to have, one is tame ( female ) THE OTHER ( male) A MEAN SOB. They are not so dangerous as long as proper protocol is followed at all times, I do not turn my back on any snake over 6 feet regardless of species.
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>>The 17 foot tiger is a dream to work with, he is hooked trained and has responded well to the training. You open the enclosure slightly and gently tap the snake on the head several times while watching his reactions, this conditions them to know this means it's cleaning time, not feeding time. Even with no "aromas" in the air they still act as if there is, especially if you just invade their territory. So you have to break their feeding response before servicing their enclosure. So they are conditioned to expect food if no hook is being used and also conditioned to know when it's maintenance time as well.
>>
>>Believe it or not, the one's that I need to be the most careful with are the burmese pythons. One of the ones I keep will not except the concept of having his feeding response broken, until he's in the container I place them into so I can to completely service their enclosure. Most people who are inadvertently killed by pythons are being off 'ed by this particular species, this is because they are not following proper protocol when feeding and or servicing the pythons enclosure. Most commonly it involves the keeper feeding them bare handed and or out of their enclosure. There is a "mental" issue owners should not adopt as well, do not lower your guard because of how placid the snake usually is, THEIR FEEDING RESPONCE MUST BE RESPECTED AT ALL TIMES.
>>
>>Did I mention one of my retic's eats out of a large dog bowl. Just thaw and warm, put like 10 in bowl and place bowel on opposite side of the enclosure where the snake is not located. Doesn't even constrict, smells them, goes to bowl and eats them one at a time until they are gone. Funny to watch lol.
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>>Thanks,
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>>Frank Roberts
>>Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research
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FRoberts May 29, 2007 12:51 PM

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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

ReneeValois May 29, 2007 01:37 PM

Tragic, but very worth passing on.
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Renee

2.0 amel & anery corns (Foxfire & Daguerre)
1.0 BRB (Loki)

strictly4fun May 29, 2007 03:30 PM

I am very sorry for that unfortunate accident but that is what people do not understand about any snake especially the larger ones. These are WILD animals so matter how much we think we have domesticated them they are still wild and have generations and generations behind them that make them from becoming extinct. My friend keeps retics Tim that I tell Frank about and he keeps Tigers. They are beautiful creatures and he has his puppy dog tame and his big ones now are around 12 ft mark or so and just gentle handling you can feel their power and if in feeding mode I would have no chance whatsoever. I am in no way shape or form a weak individual but I can't begin to explain the power I feel from these snakes just to climb from me to a table-they are crazy strong and demand respect.
Bob

rainbowsrus May 28, 2007 03:32 PM

Chester was one of the two in Amazon reptiles ads. I was in LA and had them brought to the store so I could choose between the tao they had avaialble. Chester was IMO by far the better looking of the two and MUCH more color.

Cyrus is one of Chesters littermates. He came directly from the breeder that produ ced them and was never available through Amazon reptile center.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
21.29 BRB
19.19 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

FRoberts May 28, 2007 03:39 PM

ok so one, chester would have been my first choice as well, I love those sunglows, and since I have two females(reg), a male is on my "must have list" , that is one snake I want to breed, I have never bred BCI's. I also have never bred any type of kingsnake, so I am getting a female chain king as well. A lot of my "breedings" have a lot to do with personal accomplishments or goals I set for myself. Been there done that!! slightly egotistacal but hey makes me happy
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

strictly4fun May 28, 2007 03:42 PM

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rainbowsrus May 30, 2007 11:02 AM

For anyone still looking

market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=8&de=502742

or

Frank 732-761-9289
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
21.29 BRB
19.19 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

strictly4fun May 30, 2007 11:21 AM

Thanks Dave but I was just hoping he had a website so I could look at some eye candy every so often but I greatly do appreciate that link though. Have a good one Dave
Bob

strictly4fun May 27, 2007 10:28 PM

Those jungles are unbelievable Dave and those are gonna definately make some Supers for you and mixed with your Salmon Jungle you can't go wrong can you haha lol. I will definately be adding a couple more hits every now and then since you acquired those jungles. Chester's brother Cyrus isn't bad looking either and having so many designer morphs around can't be a bad choice either. The q-room is again being occupied again I would imagine so how do I say-you lucky bastard Switching gears here Dave- I know that male and Hook are related sexually but maybe in appearances I was getting at but unfortunately I will never find out but fortunately got that open spot though lol I can't wait now!!!! The more and more I see those ghosts the more it makes me want one especially with those headlight markers so I could possibly have a homo anery and hypo laying around waiting for some Motley sex one day oooohhhhhhyyyyeeeeeaaaaahhhhh that would be a great day having some Motleys het anery, and some Hotleys from that one. Well congrats on that new acquisition Dave and this one is getting long like some of those e-mails so I'll call it quits for now
Bob

rainbowsrus May 27, 2007 11:04 PM

Yeah, those Jungles are really hot, couldn't believe it when they came up for sale how sweet and clean they were. Been watching Jungles for a while and the "big breeders" have some not nearly as nice. Each with a price tag more than what I paid for the pair shipped.

Chester has some really cool "extra" color going on and his brother has it even more. Add to it his tail has lots of linlked blotches and IMO he'd be the one I would have picked if they were the two I originally chose from. And again, Cyrus was a fair chunk o change cheaper.

The next couple of years should see some really cool stuff coming out of my collection!!! Woohoo!!

BTW, still pacing, waiting for babies. Maybe in a week or so, I could have a couple of litters drop???

UGH, this is the one part I hate....waiting for the babies to come. Don't want them early but waiting for that first litter is excruciatingly long!!
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
21.29 BRB
19.19 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

FRoberts May 28, 2007 01:36 PM

poor baby lol Man up!!!!
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

snakito May 28, 2007 03:28 AM

and since we are on the whole off topic thing here is a nice male that if chester was a girl would go good with. hypo arabesque 66% poss het albino and if no one minds ill post his true future girl friend once she sheds

ReneeValois May 28, 2007 10:51 AM

Chester and Cyrus are so stunning!!!
(I suppose I must have a thing about orange, with two of my few snakes having lots of that color...)
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Renee

2.0 amel & anery corns (Foxfire & Daguerre)
1.0 BRB (Loki)

FRoberts May 28, 2007 01:27 PM

Dave,

You do realize this is the second snake you have acquired that I actually almost purchased. I only have two BCI's, both females, I do have a pic ( purchase pic ) of one of them from the Boa Woman, although just regular to some, she gets better and better with every shed. The other I have to get a picture of, she looks VERY molted looking, she reminds me of a bci you sometimes see listed when sunglow as "dripping with color" lots of red and orange all over the snake, this "dripping color" is in my opinion due to the fact the underlying snake as a "non albino/sunglow" does not have what most call a "clean" pattern. The snake is molted with black patterning to the point it looks very different than most "cleaner" bci. She is very beautiful and shines purple like you would not believe. She is covered with black speckling where as my other boa from the boa woman has little in comparison. Both beautiful, but I guarantee they would look extremely different if they where expressing the "sunglow" gene. This. "other" Boa was given to me because the person who had it could no longer keep it due to changing laws in New York. ( NJ has fair laws in comparison to NY ) .

Now back to the two snakes that where "almost" mine. I have no animosity towards you at all, in fact, I was not ready to make the plunge just yet, but, since they are in your collection ( which we know is carefully selected for, ummmmmmm GREATNESS ) I know when I do, I am sure to select great animals to work with. Your collection of both BCI and BRB is quite impressive, and I have picked out of your collection what you consider your "nicest" specimens. So you have "great snakes" and I have "great taste" in snakes, or maybe we both suck all together and just have similar opinions. Regardless, Congrats on the new acquisitions and someday soon, you may want to look into a good "boa intervention" program for addicts.

My boawoman female....much bigger now....new pics soon...
Image
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

strictly4fun May 28, 2007 01:37 PM

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FRoberts May 28, 2007 01:40 PM

you would love it now, as she gets older it gets, redder and redder, by other bci is so dark purple it looks black, or maybe is black lol, she reminds me of a BCC colorwise as she ages.
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

rainbowsrus May 28, 2007 02:04 PM

So, was it you that had Bo Peep on hold and backed out! If so then THANKS!!!

I really like your boawoman BCI....nice tail on her!
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
21.29 BRB
19.19 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

FRoberts May 28, 2007 02:10 PM

I never had the snake on hold, if I where that close the snake would be here and not at your place. I was eyeballing those snakes for purchase long before they where sold. At this time I am not buying any more, I have 53 snakes, and limited room to get more. But when I revamp the room, that will cause me to have space to fill. Since I respect you, I do enjoy the fact I was looking into the same stuff, that I also considered the "goods"
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

rainbowsrus May 28, 2007 03:25 PM

So, you're talking about the "amazon reptile" sunglows? Wasn't sure which you were talking about. I had been looking at those two for quite some time. If I remember correctly, they were $2150 last year and the price had come down. There always was two males avaialable and I thought it always was the same two. BTW, the other male while a good looking sunglow, does not compare. The choice was easy!!

Funny thing was for the jungles my number one pick (Bo Peep) was already on hold for someone else. The male I wanted was available and I did end up choosing an alternate female. Then the female I originally wanted came back avaialable WOOHOO!! So I got the pair I wanted from the start.

So, remind me, what was the other one you were eyeballing? You said this was the second.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
21.29 BRB
19.19 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

FRoberts May 28, 2007 03:30 PM

Did you not get both male sunglows? If not my mistake. I wanted both and in the same order you purchased.
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

rainbowsrus May 28, 2007 03:36 PM

AHHHH, that clears things up..... as posted above,

Chester was one of the two available through Amazon reptile center. IMO was the best looking of the two, much more color in the side AND he was in shed, yes, I bought the one in shged over the one not in shed because the one in shed STILL looked better.

Cyrus is a littermate to Chester but came directly from the breeder that produced both (Jason Robeck) He was one of Jasons holdbacks and were I to be purchasing only one and had Chgester and Cyrus to choose from would have picked Cyrus.

Cyrus was never (to my knowledge) available through Amazon Reptile Center.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
21.29 BRB
19.19 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

FRoberts May 28, 2007 05:25 PM

Thanks Dave, not even my snakes and I am excited for you, also I can not wait to see you produce some super motley babies, I bet you can not wait either. I think a lot of your snakes will be making some outrageous neonates in the future, myself being interested in what your 2008/2009 will bring. I sure you will have many "bragging rights" types before then, but that seems to be when You will be, hummm "in full swing" is a good phrase. In 2 more seasons it should get quite interesting around here.
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

rainbowsrus May 28, 2007 07:20 PM

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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
21.29 BRB
19.19 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

waspinator421 May 28, 2007 01:53 PM

Whoa... it hurts to look at them! Gorgeous animals..... just can't get over the orange!
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rainbowsrus May 29, 2007 09:42 AM

Again, thank you all for all the really nice replies. It's always nice to get back feedback that reinforces your decision to acquire a specific animal.

I do find it's really cool to see that others have been eyeing the pair of sunglows advertised by ARC, of which I got one and eventually got a second (even better) one directly from the breeder. Wow, I even got a series of emails off line resulting in an offer to purchase either one for more than I paid. While that was very flattering, I got those two boys for a reason so the answer was no.

Also an update on the Jungles, also very well received. After thinking about the possibility of breeding them together (siblings) I researched their lineage. As I have mentioned before in discussions about breeding animals from a single source, it DOES pay to know lineage. I've said it for years, IMO some degree of line breeding is acceptable. And is done in the industry fairly often. If you're willing to buy siblings and breed them, know the lineage!! There is the possibility that your source also bought a pair of sibs. Even the remote possibility this could have happened multiple times.

Anyways, I did find out the breeder that produced my jungles, did breed siblings originally from the Barkers. I also went that extra step to check with the Tracy and found out the parents of those animals were unrelated. Making the babies I bought F2's. IMO, very important to know, if/when I were to breed these two together. A high probability seeing how clean and high expression they are. And of course would be advertised and sold as F3's!!

Lastly, part of my "business plan" for these "higher end" animals. I am saving all info I have gathered (original sales ad, emails etc.) and that info will be available to any future customer of the associated babies.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
21.29 BRB
19.19 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

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