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Ok these are taken outside in natural sunlight...should be much better pics...
These fit every description in the Hunters guide examples....
They also come from a reputable breeder as I said before.
I understand how pics can be a very poor way to show how an animal looks...but natural sunlight does help.

Andy Federico

Your comments are welcome!
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Honestly - I'm not seeing it - IMO they just don't have that unmistakable YB color that pops and at best they have questionable belly pattern. They could very well be "ugly" YBs - best of luck with them.
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Tosha
JET Pythons

They check out per the Hunters guide....at least explain the points in the guide and how they do not match up ...Then it would make more sense.

Andy
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oppinions about this whole het ivory thing. I just hatched a clutch of het ivories. Fathered by a het ivory from The Snake Keeper. He is the father of their original ivories as I understand it. Well before this clutch hatched I did alot of reserch so I could tell the difference between a normal and yellow belly. Everyone I asked and everything I read said the same thing Dot on head, Blushing starting at the belly, High yellow pigment, And the granite type look on the sides of the belly. Well, out of the eight I ended up with one looking at the classic het ivory trates, it's a sceemer. Accept for the dot on the head. My breeder male nor does this offspring have it that I can tell. Some of the others in the clutch have a few of the trates but not enough for me to make a 100% conclusion that they are in fact yellow bellies. One example of the confusion for me, look on the Graziani's site at their pic of their het and tell me what you think of that. Classic, I don't know? You tell me.

Yes those are Yellow Bellies. YB's vary from clutch to clutch quite a bit. I saw some animals from a pretty well known breeder that I would have bet money were not Yellow Bellies (and I have seen some of the first one to come into the country when Yb's first were coming up) but they proved out and produced Ivories. So all do not look identical to others and the amount of coloration on their bellies as well as the amount of flecking and blushing vary as well. Attached are a couple pics showing some extreme examples.

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Rob Trenor
RK Reptiles
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everyone will post their screemers but will not muddy their name up by posting what would be iffy ones that they have the experience to know for a fact is a yellow belly, so that everyone else can learn how to tell the iffy ones for sure. This certainly would cut down on these threads, NO? It also would help people like me from selling at norm prices (cutting my own throat) or ripping someone off by selling one that is not, which I wouln't do. But others might.
Casey

it doesnt matter if a breeder had ones that werent as nice.. they all produce the same thing.. just people are more proud and want to show off the nicer ones!!

they are yellow bellies, just not good examples of them.. Reminds me of the ones stan chiras was trying to sell a few years ago that he got captive produced from douglas beard. he got a lot of emails telling him he was stupid and they werent yellow bellies... the next year he produced ivories with them!!

some yellow bellies just arent that nice..

but i do think they are..
Beau

I am Glad to get that settled...lol...
I wasn't worried about them not being yellow bellies because I really trust the Breeder....but I just could not understand the intensity of the absolute No answers I was getting and if you look back at the very first post I made...I did not even ask if they were yellow bellies...I just wanted some thoughts as to the one that looks similar to the ones they call a spot nose.

Thanks again, Andy
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Nice snakes!
Casey

When Stan was here in florida.Everyone said he was full of it.Than he posted the babies later on .to everyone who said these weren't yb
you were wrong.LOL
That is why they still come in with imports along with blk pastels and others that can't be picked out easy.
just another reason to prove out your snakes.You never know whats gonna come out next.
Mike
PS that was same year he proved out his cinnamon burms

They are either the worst Het Ivories... or they are not het Ivories...

Can you get a picture of the Parent Het ivory?

Email me the breeders name at nextworld3@bellsouth.net (i will keep the name private)just curious as to how "reputable" this breeder really is.

Only 1 of them looks like it might be a Het Ivory (Yellow Belly) to me... the rest look like "special" (maybe) normals...

Sorry
Jon
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Thanks
Jon Dvoretz
Next World Exotics
www.nextworldexotics.com

The Hunters Guide to the Morphs
www.nextworldexotics.com/hg.htm

IMHO, I still don't see YB. Now, breed two of them together and if you get an Ivory, well, many of us were proven wrong. For your sake, I hope I'm wrong. As a hobbyist photographer, I also realize that capturing the color in a picture can be difficult.

I have seen some screamer YBs and some "ugly" YBs. But even the ugly ones, it was clear they were YB. Which poses a question: can ugly or poor quality YBs produce ugly YBs?

But do keep us posted.
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Jay A. Martin
Jay Martin Reptiles

hmmmmmm----hmmmmmm---I have hatched a good number of yellowbellies all from an outrageous male. He is the father of all the orangebelly animals i have produced. I will say this--some females when bred to him produce offspring that loook better than he did--there are 2 darker females however that produce babies that are not great, and even one last year i was not sure, so i did not sell it and have kept it back as it was a female. That female at a year is much more obvious of a yellowbelly than the pics you posted on this post. I am not saying you do not have yellowbellys there, but i will say for sure, that if someone sent me those in trade as yellowbellys i would not be happy or confident in them. I proved out an adult female that everyone said was not a yellowbelly, and she produced ivories 2 years ago, so again, it is possible. I think the trait is similar to pastel balls--some are very extreme, and some are butt ugly. Last year i had a clutch of 7 eggs with 1 yb in it--i looked at all the babies over and over again thinking how is this possible, but that is what happened--one clutch had crappy odds. I also had a 14 egg clutch that had 10 or 11 yellowbellies in it, so it is a random percentage. I just hope the babies you have were not the looking at them over and over again group making yourself beleive that they are yb, when in fact maybe only 1 was. Do you have pics as babies after a shed or two?-Ben

Thanks everyone for the input....I am sure they are yellow bellies...and so I will prove them out in a year or 2....
They may not show good in the pics but looking at them in person they Rock! So I will just enjoy them and breed them!
Thanks Andy

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