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Nesting Questions (FR, please look)

Varanids_Rock May 29, 2007 12:08 PM

Sorry, now I realize that my post below about nesting soils is very vague. I am sure that there are numerous answers to that question, and varying levels of correctiveness in answers.

Perhaps I should have asked, how can you tell if your substrate is acceptable to the monitors to nest and burrow in? If they nest in it (as mine did), does that mean it is acceptable? Or is it one of those "better to nest in a bad substrate than to not nest at all" type of situations?

In the soil that I was using when she laid (topsoil/sand mixture), there was very little day-to-day digging and burrowing. They dug one burrow in a single spot and whenever they did actually dig, it was extending (and often ruining it, making it collapse or digging another hole into it) that only burrow. In fact, the nest chamber was just an extension off of that burrow. That burrow was actually quite long, but after I dug the eggs up and ruined it, they didn't dig much more.

Anyway, I was just a bit questionative of whether or not they were telling me that they accepted the substrate. Although, I would like to try it again, as it was WAY too moist throughout most of the cage. I've dumped it outside to let it dry out, and will most likely be trying it again unless I can find a more suitable source. I'm gonna check out a load of topsoil my dad is ordering tomorrow for some landscaping.

Also, I'm still up for suggestions on soils or soil mixes that people have successfully used, although that is a vague request. Ideally, I could go out and dig up some natural desert soil, but there are unfourtunately no deserts in Arkansas. Oh, and this is for yellow ackies, if that matters.

By the way Frank, I know you have said that you have acceptable soils in every state (except way up north, I believe). How about Arkansas?

Sorry for asking such a newbie-sounding question, but proper soils and such are still something I don't understand very well at all.

Cheers,
Ryan

Replies (4)

FR May 29, 2007 11:23 PM

hahahahahahahahahahaha. actually I gave up trying to explain dirt, I have a hard enough time talking about monitors. There are 4000 types of dirt. My monitors apparently do not nest in any of those, hahahahahahahaha. I actually took the dirt i use to a geologist at the Arizona Sonora Desert Museum. He said, its silty sandy soil. End of that story, hahahahahahahahaha

No carbon material, at all. No clay, at all, end that of that Post script.

That is, with the desert monitors, which is not the case with some other monitors. Many species including some odatria understand and use leaflitter and other soils with lots of carbon material, but no clay.

It seems that clay suffocates eggs, kinda common sense. So in areas of clay, monitors find something better, leaflitter, decomposed wood, termite(ant) hills/mounds, ETC. Those are two ends of the nesting types.

I would imagine there are specialist that are different, but I have not seen them yet. Cheers

Varanids_Rock May 29, 2007 11:59 PM

So no organic material, or clay. The same things that I have heard and read over and over again. I think I know what I am looking for. The problem is, I just can't find it. Perhaps this summer I can visit some places that may have some of this type of soil. Can you think of any places that would give this type of soil for somebody who doesn't have any deserts around? Like sedimentary deposits at the bases of mountains or in riverbeds/on river banks?

Anyways, thanks for responding. This is a frustrating and confusing subject. Well, for me at least...

Cheers,
Ryan

ackie89 May 30, 2007 03:53 PM

Yeah you have the idea, the silty soil is normally found in creek beds around bends. I have also found it on the lakes near my house where streams empty into the lake and the stuff builds up as a delta/small island. I'm in NC, but I'm sure you can find similar stuff all over the country.... Cheers, Lance

Varanids_Rock May 30, 2007 11:00 PM

n/p

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