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bet ya didn't know that.
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Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

The one in the water? or the octopus tentacle snake lol j/k Frank I don't know what a elephant trunk snake is but I'm about to google one though
Bob

yeah the one in the water, I have no room for a large aquarium and I hear they do not live very long anyway. But their still kewl!!!!
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Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

also called wart snake and file snake...
Acrochordus javanicus

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Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

scientific name or a link but you came through for me. Frank I'm telling you man we got a connection (pointing at my head and to the computer my head to the computer screen) lol
Bob

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Frank Roberts
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Perfect opener for a thread hyjacking if I ever saw one.

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Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
21.29 BRB
19.19 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

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Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

baseball bat Frank lol fellas. Since Dave took over this thread I'll ask him a ? Dave whatssuuuuppp I caught the post in the boa forum asking about F1 F2.... I see F4's salmons quite often in the classifieds and that sounds like a lot of family sex being the parents then siblings then siblings then siblings then siblings again. I didn't know that if you brought some unrelated blood then it wouldn't add on which is what I thought but I'm pretty dumb at times. So what would be the advantage to inbreeding that much or is not imbreeding since it is sibling as opposed to crossing them back to the parents? Any downfalls like the first hypo brb's with regurges or what since they are F4's?
Bob

Like I replied over there, the advantage of sibling breeding is in e nhanciung a trait they both have. By breeding F1 siblings with the same look you're trying to breed for (brighter salmon with less speckling for example) The litter of babies will be bell curved around the parents. Pick out the high end of those F2 babies and breed those, again the F3 babies will be in a bell curve distribution around the F2 parents but now since the F2's are "better" than the F1's, the average of the F3's will be better than the average of the F2's. And so on and so on ...

The problem with this is unwanted genes may also get propogated. The occaisional outcrossing to unrelated animals will help reduce that. IMO the regurge problems Mike has gone through simply mean there was a unwanted genetic anomoly that was propogated through and needs to be outcrossed to "fix". Bringing in new blood strengthens the bloodline, of course from the "hypo" sense it weakens it since you can only make hets but one more gen and you're back to hypos!!
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Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
21.29 BRB
19.19 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Octupi would be cool but I have no idea on care requirements.

I am curious though about the not living very long thing you mentioned. Does that mean they get giant very quickly or are there different sized species of octopus? Cause baby octupi are tasty but you could prolly fit 3-5 in the palm of your hand and I've seen other octupi which were huge(alive in this case).

Either way they are interesting animals.

Sean.

Well Sean I don't have all that knowledge you and Frank have (caught ya'll responses in the hybrid forum) but I did happen to see on t.v. a show about some kind of squid. They had a real tough time simulating the water since they stay way below the surface but ended up taking a sample of water from like 1000 feet below and simulated the conditions as good as they could get them but they still died but set a record of maybe like a month or so which is very long in captivity. I have no idea what this has to do with octopi but they might be similar I have no idea
Bob

here is the one I want get, but I am just dreaming, I do not have the necessary environment and they rarely live more than 6 months, also most octopi are relatively short lived.
The one I want....

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Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

6 months is the average life span in captivity, if one got as a tiny baby I hear they can live as long as 2 years
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Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

Sounds like a reek tanks with a shallow/tidepool end would work nicely for them.

Course even there you're prolly looking at a minimum of a 100 gallon reef tank setup.

Have they had any luck with captive propogation? I know the easiest way to keep certain other short lived sealife(like sea horses) on an ongoing basis is to have breeding pairs together. This way you can either breed your future pets or trade babies for unrelated stock from an aquatics store.

Those are really cool octopi btw.

sean.

I guess I should read the entire post before I make mine next time That is the one I like too!!

>>here is the one I want get, but I am just dreaming, I do not have the necessary environment and they rarely live more than 6 months, also most octopi are relatively short lived.
>>The one I want....
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I have seen them for sale in New Jersey pet stores. Can't buy a turtle in a pet store because of samonella, but a deadly sea creature, no prob WTF!!!!!!!!
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Frank Roberts
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We were actually looking into getting one awhile back too.. average lifespan seems to be 1-3 years. Your best bet is to buy one at a fresh fish market, wayy cheaper than you'd get them at an aquarium store.

Sizewise, there is always the blue ring octopus. They only get to about the size of a golfball. They're the coolest looking octopi out there, but the only drawback is they're posionous. Posionous enough that if you got bit the amublance couldn't get to you quick enough.

But if you manage not to get bit (i imagine as long as you're very careful when cleaning your aquarium, or hire someone!) they're available as pets.
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1.1 96, 04 Het Albino - "Suzie" & "Lumpy"
0.1 03 Poss. Het Albino - "Ami"
0.1 05 Super Salmon - "CreamSicle"
0.1 04 Anery Het Snow- "Squelchy"
1.0 04 DH-Sunglow - "Dwayne"
1.0 06 TH-Moonglow - "Gargamel"
1.2 01 BRBs- "Gobball", "Larva" & "Tofu"

out of curiosity? How did you make out on that bci litter too btw?
Bob

Produced by someone named John Byington, we bought her from Shane Elliott of Air Capital Constrictors.
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1.1 96, 04 Het Albino - "Suzie" & "Lumpy"
0.1 03 Poss. Het Albino - "Ami"
0.1 05 Super Salmon - "CreamSicle"
0.1 04 Anery Het Snow- "Squelchy"
1.0 04 DH-Sunglow - "Dwayne"
1.0 06 TH-Moonglow - "Gargamel"
1.2 01 BRBs- "Gobball", "Larva" & "Tofu"

was a no-go. She only had those 5 premies, and is not eggbound.
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1.1 96, 04 Het Albino - "Suzie" & "Lumpy"
0.1 03 Poss. Het Albino - "Ami"
0.1 05 Super Salmon - "CreamSicle"
0.1 04 Anery Het Snow- "Squelchy"
1.0 04 DH-Sunglow - "Dwayne"
1.0 06 TH-Moonglow - "Gargamel"
1.2 01 BRBs- "Gobball", "Larva" & "Tofu"

and I'm sorry to hear about that but the best of luck with Larva and Tofu though
Bob

the blue ring would be the one I get, but just dreaming at this time
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Frank Roberts
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If you ever get sick of it - at least octopus makes for some good sushi.....
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Mike

2.2 BRB
1.2 Spotted Python
1.0 Cal. King

her sister aint so bad though
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Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

....haven't you seen 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea? I mean the Disney one with Kirk Douglas. The Giant Squid scene should be enough to scare you into not having one. How about a good old northern black racer or a hip CRB instead?
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Scott

Reptiles
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1 Colombian Rainbow Boa (Rocky)
1.0 Ball Python (Sultan)
0.1 California Kingsnake (Leota)
1.0 Eastern Painted Turtle (Yugi)
0.1 Red/Gold Bearded Dragon* (Irwin, R.I.P.)

Other
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1.0 Betta Fish (Tyrone)
1.0 Hooded Rat* (Clubber, R.I.P.)
0.1 Albino Rat (Isis)

I really want a Hapalochlaena lunulata..

The life span is just so short on them.. that is only reason I don't have one of those little boogers!!

Here is a pic from pbs.org of one..

btw.. these guys are very very toxic!! but oh so pretty!!

>>bet ya didn't know that.
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They are gorgeous! But it sounds like humans are a lot more toxic to them than vice versa (since they die so swiftly in captivity). Yikes!
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Renee

2.0 amel & anery corns (Foxfire & Daguerre)
1.0 BRB (Loki)

They are tough to keep.. but they have a very short natural life span as well. I think it is rare for one to make it past its second birthday.

From what I understand, they are also very very hard to keep inside their tanks.. they are known to be escape artists!!

>>They are gorgeous! But it sounds like humans are a lot more toxic to them than vice versa (since they die so swiftly in captivity). Yikes!
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>>2.0 amel & anery corns (Foxfire & Daguerre)
>>1.0 BRB (Loki)
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Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

octupi are cool critters...thought they lived longer than a couple years though..but there are tons of species so maybe the long lived ones are the bigger ones. For info on their care and where to get them as an addition or sole occupant of a reef tank, you can always check here:

forums.aquariumhobbyist.com/

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Frank Roberts
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