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EGG Placement I would like to DISCUSS

PHEve May 31, 2007 07:58 AM

Hi guys, for "many years" it has always been said to place the eggs pink side up. Also that if the egg was fertile it would have the so welcomed "pink oval showing".

Well, over the years I have also noticed that when the girls are done laying and I go to collect/dig up the eggs, and usually this is fairly soon after laying and I can still see the pink oval, what I have noticed is some are layed with pink showing, "but some" the pink is on the bottom, and this is the way SHE put them. Now if she knows what she's doing, why would she not place them all the same way? In nature would some of her eggs not hatch because they are placed differently? I tend to think they would.

I sometimes wonder how important the PINK on top is, as long as they are not moved once placed????

Also I know many of us have had eggs just layed where the pink is showing leading you to believe the egg is indeed FERTILE, but that particualr egg may stay squishy like a water ballon and prove to NOT be good in coming days! ???? So WHY then was it even PINK at all? These are just many years of EGG observations, lol

What are your thoughts on all this PINK stuff, LOL
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Replies (5)

tgreb May 31, 2007 09:06 AM

Hi Eve

I think it's random. I don't thik the female positions them any certain way in the nest. Whatever way the egg falls and I don't think the pink spot has anything to do with the way the egg is laying in the nest. Debb luvs uros from the Uro forum has a very good book on reptile eggs that explains all this. The pink spot has nothing to do with where the embryo attaches. You have I think like 48 hours before the embryo actually attaches so that if you get the eggs right after laying their position is really not important in regards to how they are positioned in the nest.

PHEve May 31, 2007 09:44 AM

This is what I was getting at (as you could tell)seeing so many eggs, and diggign up so many, different species also, so many are palced pink side down, sideways, up, very Random by female.

I personally don't think it matters either, as long as the egg is not moved after a certain amount of time.
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johne May 31, 2007 11:27 AM

Ha, ha. I think you're right...it does not matter. I had heard at first that this was indeed the embryonic disc attachment point. Doesn't seem to affect them. In turtle eggs (at least softshell) it can take nearly a week before you see any red at all. CRAZY!!

PHEve May 31, 2007 01:08 PM

I heard that stuff STINKS, LMAO YF
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kellybee May 31, 2007 09:13 AM

I posted a question earlier in the season because of my second clutch (first ones died unfortunately), ALL of the pink was to the side, or down. When I moved them to the incubator I could see them clearly but I didnt know how long they had been there as they had begun to harden. As such I just incubated them in the same position I found them. As it happens, they have all got wriggly little bubbas in them, so I guess with that clutch it didn't matter. The babies are all in the BOTTOM of the eggs. Correction: I candled a few that had begun to dimple and they now seem to be at the top of the egg, or then again could just be filling more of it than before.

The NEXT clutch were more transparent, and still are. These ones were solid when I dug them up, and pink blotches were all over the shop. Again I placed them as I found them and all contain still contain live wriggly kids (last time I checked anyway).

The third lot, I was there to see them laid. I placed them pink side up, and took extra care with the one that dropped off a rock to land with a thud in the sand. All fifteen were fertile, one went mouldy when water dripped on it, but foot powder soerted that. Mouldy began to wrinkle up last week, and has not responded to extra moisture. I havent put too much in there because the others are all still plump. Nonetheless he is still alive in there.

I read somewhere that the pink side up ensures a stronger blood flow around the egg to the foetus, the weight of the contents can suppress the blood flow if pink side down. Apparently this is often the cause of fatalities later on in the incubation stage when the weight causes the blood flow to dwindle out as the egg gets bigger. I can understand the logic in that, but didnt read it til well after all fifteen were laid. I also read in the same article that once the egg is laid it absorbs oxygen, which makes its way to the top of the egg. If the egg is turned once the air has settled into a bubble, then by turning it you drown the egg, although I dont quite understand that when there is no foetus as such when the egg is first laid.

I think I have that article bookmarked at home on the laptop, so I'll post it if I can later.
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