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excerpt from a conversation and the retic forum:

I have noticed that reticulated pythons surface body temp are up to 5 degrees hotter than the floor or ambient temp while digesting a meal ( temp of lump ), all others ( I have tested ) including boas are the same temp as the floor and or ambient, I wonder why that is ? It's definitely related to the digestion process because you get the same results temp wise every time, and when not digesting the temp corresponds to the floor and or ambient temps, yeah I need to know why, but find myself unable to get any real scientific information, other than the fact that I am not blind.

Any one notice this? and can you tell me why? Shunting perhaps ?

Note: There is no hot spot and or overhead heat involved. The source is internal and directly related to reticulatus's digestion process. Have not tested any other types of pythons,

I have however tested several different boas ( Bci, rainbow, dumeril ) and various species of colubrids.

Yeah I have a temp gun and too much time on my hands.

Also if you decide to acquire any temp readings, please be critically careful during the process. I don't want anyone " getting to know" the possible results of a snakes feeding response

I also posted this here because I know we have a lot of "smartie pants" type of people save Bob.

Bob

I would think by now Bob knows I mean no malice.

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Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

Since these large constrictors some times consume extremly large prey items, it may have been developed to aid in digestion, by speeding it up.

Just thinking, but if that where the reason, how are they doing it? and could it be related to the decomposition of the food, more likely it is achieved thru shunting.
Mega Nerd Link

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Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

First off, temperature is simply a measurement of energy.

Like Frank Hypothesized, since Retics eat relatively large prey items, I can see a couple of possibilities:

1) they heve evolved a process where by they can concentrate the available thermal energy and thereby raise ther temps.

2) Could be decomposition related thermal energy induced by digestive juices.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
21.29 BRB
19.19 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

that's along the lines of what I think. Look at def of
"thermal energy / kinetic energy / Internal energy"

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Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

Retic forum seems to know Bob quite well -

>>I also posted this here because I know we have a lot of "smartie pants" type of people save Bob.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
21.29 BRB
19.19 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

a truths between us but now I see how you're gonna play D-I-R-T-Y you better watch out sucka I'm gunning for you now I'm prolly gonna meet Frank at the airport, steal your big a$$ motor home and all the boaphiles with the snakes inside, I can't lift up your racks cuz of my back though and we are gonna start our own company Frank and I called- Rainbows-R-Us inc. j/k lol Dave
Bob

There ya are, was wondering if you were gonna stand up and take it like a man!!

How's the aches and pains today?
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
21.29 BRB
19.19 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Today sucks but I think they call it a Thursday which means my son has a baseball game and they call me coach what more can I ask for seriously I had to go to my lawyers earlier and then took my boy to McDonald's where he must have played for like 45 minutes-that place is a zoo to say the least but now I'm home and cooking some cookies for church after the game so things are getting better I guess but I don't have time today for my aches and complaints so maybe tomorrow but then I have to watch my boy all day long cha-ching So I'll have to put off pain til Sunday since I have him all day and night on Saturday too, so I very much enjoy my weekends Dave and thanks for asking I'm going to the chiropractor on Monday for the first time so cross your fingers and say a prayer for me
Bob

hummm, Bob, you may want to disregard that email I sent you on how you injured your back...
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Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

say a prayer for you.... and since you are a "church" going man, take a look at this......
Link for Bob

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Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

Frank I actually got re-baptized a couple of sundays ago on the 20th and man it feels good If there were only more people like us but that decision defines the people who really are and directly affects every decision we make in life and waaaaay to many people have to much lust in their hearts whether it is money, greed, lust, but they all need FAITH but you live life and you learn just like anything else though. Thanks for sharing btw
Bob

Bob, I would agree if you said more people like you. Even an evil man (me) would not want to give his child a stone.
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Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

You're a man of many talents and facets!
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Renee

2.0 amel & anery corns (Foxfire & Daguerre)
1.0 BRB (Loki)

actually, all tongues shall swear those things, if not now, then somtime in the future. May as well get it out of the way!!! I must say, it is the only thing in my life I have believed without proff. I question EVERYTHING ELSE by nature.

By biblical definition, I am Evil/Wicked in heart. I have come to terms and peace with the fact that I am a piece of crap!!!
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

RE:
By biblical definition, I am Evil/Wicked in heart. I have come to terms and peace with the fact that I am a piece of crap!!!
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Never in HIS eyes! (Hey, I'm a parent, so I know how we love our kids no matter what!!!) And He doesn't make crap, by the way...
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Renee

2.0 amel & anery corns (Foxfire & Daguerre)
1.0 BRB (Loki)

true, he loves the sinner, not the sin. But I am what I am. No not popeye!!!
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

I'll pray for you too, Bob! I hope you feel better soon...
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Renee

2.0 amel & anery corns (Foxfire & Daguerre)
1.0 BRB (Loki)

that means a lot to me
Bob

and I was trying to keep it anonymous, well I triedlol Yeah I go Thur. nights Sunday morn. and every other Tues night so about 5 hours a week and I wish they had more believe it or not, I'm gonna e-mail you with a movie to watch so check it later on for me
Bob

since yours wasn't about brb's anyway.. I don't feel bad..

Anyone else notice the rankings lately? The KS general Forum is 2nd now.. and those pesky Chams have fallen to third place (I think they realized there were two chams on the same page and they all got stressed out and ran away.. ) and the box turtles.. well, they are 500 post back..

But.. the good ole rainbow gang has taken a healthy lead of close to 300 post now..
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haaaaah
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Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

Yeah, we been out in front for a while now......it's all the hijacking instead of starting new threads.....good job gang!!!!!
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
21.29 BRB
19.19 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

...
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

the forums by hijacking ....love it, won't give us more pages, we'll just make better use of the ones we got!!!
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
21.29 BRB
19.19 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

I purposely hyjacked threads!!!!!!!!
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

Let's ride this thread as far as it'll take us!
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Renee

2.0 amel & anery corns (Foxfire & Daguerre)
1.0 BRB (Loki)

be careful what you ask for.. there is no telling where things will go.

>>Let's ride this thread as far as it'll take us!
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>>Renee
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>>2.0 amel & anery corns (Foxfire & Daguerre)
>>1.0 BRB (Loki)
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Think we can make a single thread wrap all the way around the world?
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Renee

2.0 amel & anery corns (Foxfire & Daguerre)
1.0 BRB (Loki)

We can sure try

>>Think we can make a single thread wrap all the way around the world?
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>>Renee
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>>2.0 amel & anery corns (Foxfire & Daguerre)
>>1.0 BRB (Loki)
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cuz I can talk senseless crapola all day long. I am going to my first reptile show on Saturday even though I expect it to be horrible and not to many snakes there but prolly some birds and some other stuff that doesn't catch my attention but I hope the atmosphere is fun for my boy and I though
Bob

between us and those forums below us on the list, over 400 ahead and still increasing our lead. All that due to refraining from starting a new thread for every little thing and hijacking/chatting left and right!!
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
21.29 BRB
19.19 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

And there's no page 4 to archive!! So when the archiving programs strip off that last page, we won't lose anything. Or at least not much depending on any new threads that come up!!
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
21.29 BRB
19.19 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Really! (And just doing my bit to keep us where we belong...)
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Renee

2.0 amel & anery corns (Foxfire & Daguerre)
1.0 BRB (Loki)

.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
21.29 BRB
19.19 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Hey Dave what about Chester/Cyrus and your pastel Cobalt having some DH sunglow pasels or albino pastels??? I know you have that pastel with York I think this year for some pastel albinos but what about next go around, but if you had a male coral albino then you can have some pastel albinos in 2 gens but what are your plans with the pastel if she is able to go again next year. If it is trade secret I understand but I'm sure you caught Jeff's pastel albinos which are mine boggling but he was saying the more red influence in the parents then well you know... but those pastel albinos mixed some little coraling for an extra touch has had me thinking for awhile so what's your thought??
Bob

This hobby is mind boggling, what to put with what. That pastel CBLT (not Cobalt) stands for Circle Back Ladder Tail. I had not really thought further about how to utilize her in all the plans other than I love the pattern!
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
21.29 BRB
19.19 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

what kind of TP do you use? I use charmin!!!!

WTF ???? lol
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

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Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

In Minnesota we use "Northern!" LOL
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Renee

2.0 amel & anery corns (Foxfire & Daguerre)
1.0 BRB (Loki)

you are wiping the southern part of your body.
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Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

everyone lol even you Renee cuz we play some jokes on you at your expense
Bob

True; even us Northerners have Southern body parts.
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Renee

2.0 amel & anery corns (Foxfire & Daguerre)
1.0 BRB (Loki)

even lefties have rights?
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
21.29 BRB
19.19 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Charmin ultra!! I like the roles that are to big to fit on the holder too.. Seriously, someone should kick that engineers arse.. Who in their right mind designs something for everyday household use and says "Lets make it bigger then standard holder will allow"

One of those rolls would last Sheryl Crow all year!!

>>what kind of TP do you use? I use charmin!!!!
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>>WTF ???? lol
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>>Thanks,
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>>Frank Roberts
>>Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research
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replaced our holders back to standard ones. The wife got tired of looking for standard rolls while shopping. We had these fancy looking marble ones that would barely hold a standard roll. No way would it hold a double roll. Forget about one of the even larger ones. Now the new "plain" holder works for anything!

Plus with thenwife and two daughters....sheesh, the paper practically flies off the roll!!!!!
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
21.29 BRB
19.19 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

is she the tart who said one should use just two sheets? humm, I like to over wipe my ass, thank you very much, also the more distance between my hands and $hit the better!!!
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

Yeah.. 1 sqaure be trip to the pot.. Now I know why Lance Armstrong divorced her..

>>is she the tart who said one should use just two sheets? humm, I like to over wipe my ass, thank you very much, also the more distance between my hands and $hit the better!!!
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>>Thanks,
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>>Frank Roberts
>>Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research
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Threads like this one where there are tons of replies are great for increasing our post count within the 150 threads we have in current pages.

BUT, 151 threads from now, losing this one thread will definitely take a lot of posts with it.

What do y'all think about having a weekly post, for all the chatting and random stuff?

Could even combine posts like Pic Monday. Anyone wanting to post pics would reply to an original "pic Monday" post.

Same thing with OT tuesday..... Kind of like using a post to start a subforum with each reply to the post being it's own "thread".

any other thoughts?
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
21.29 BRB
19.19 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

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Renee

2.0 amel & anery corns (Foxfire & Daguerre)
1.0 BRB (Loki)

folks who'd rather chat amongst ourselves then get flamed for asking the question and/or tossing out ideas elsewhere!!!!
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
21.29 BRB
19.19 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

...
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

on the word "reticulated"---which refers to a form of python, of course---but also in the dictionary definition: "resembling or forming a network; having veins or lines crossing like threads" which I thought described what's happening to the forum (in a nice way .

I guess I'm just getting a little too obscure here for my own good (the darned writer in me).... ! !
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Renee

2.0 amel & anery corns (Foxfire & Daguerre)
1.0 BRB (Loki)

Yup, that one went right over my head!
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
21.29 BRB
19.19 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

I knew what you meant.
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

Glad to hear someone got the joke! No offense, Dave; I don't expect you to read my mind; even MY David can't do that! LOL
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Renee

2.0 amel & anery corns (Foxfire & Daguerre)
1.0 BRB (Loki)

Only reason I got it is, retics are my fav, and I am familiar with the denotation of the word.
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Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

That has nothing to do with being a writer or obscure. You are just smart.. Stop using big words!!

>>on the word "reticulated"---which refers to a form of python, of course---but also in the dictionary definition: "resembling or forming a network; having veins or lines crossing like threads" which I thought described what's happening to the forum (in a nice way .
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>>I guess I'm just getting a little too obscure here for my own good (the darned writer in me).... ! !
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>>Renee
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>>2.0 amel & anery corns (Foxfire & Daguerre)
>>1.0 BRB (Loki)
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Renee

2.0 amel & anery corns (Foxfire & Daguerre)
1.0 BRB (Loki)

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Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

where do I sign up, lock the door and throw away the key for that matter wooooooohooooooooo!!!!!! No other gases though Frank please
Bob

I agree with the pics.. I am not sure if we can do a "chat" weekly though.. just look at the posts on this one today alone.. one that is a week long would be miserable to try and follow.. Maybe every other day.. or third day..

But we can also do a weekly pick on Bob thread.. and a weekly "why brazilians rainbows are better then X" thread with X changing each week (if no one comes up w/ a species, it defaults to those pesky columbian rainbows.. ) (BTW, Hope that mouth is doing better Scott.. I think I may have to have mine cut out soon too, and I am so not looking forward to it).

>>Threads like this one where there are tons of replies are great for increasing our post count within the 150 threads we have in current pages.
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>>BUT, 151 threads from now, losing this one thread will definitely take a lot of posts with it.
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>>What do y'all think about having a weekly post, for all the chatting and random stuff?
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>>Could even combine posts like Pic Monday. Anyone wanting to post pics would reply to an original "pic Monday" post.
>>
>>Same thing with OT tuesday..... Kind of like using a post to start a subforum with each reply to the post being it's own "thread".
>>
>>any other thoughts?
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>>Thanks,
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>>Dave Colling
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>>www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com
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>>0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
>>0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)
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>>LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
>>21.29 BRB
>>19.19 BCI
>>And those are only the breeders
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>>lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats
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The only thing about this Dave for the one thread for the pics is whoever is the first to post Monday Pics has to respond to their own post that way we can have sub-posts or what not and if we have a chat room hour or so then maybe a Sunday since that is the slowest day perhaps but very well maybe family day for you and others so maybe if we can come up with a time then we can go from there since you're western I'm central and I don't know about others but there seems to be a lot of people out west and Frank and Jeff are eastern but just a thought though
Bob

isn't it true that retics have rather high metabolisms? i don't really think you need to get fancy with this, but then again, i don't do retics so i don't know. but judging on my knowledge of other animals i've studied, the higher the metabolic rate the more heat produced from the animal, you can even tell this with yourself, go run around, and you raise your heart rate and your metabolism and all that and you'll start to sweat. Especially since retics eat such large meals that need to break it down via digestion before it rots in their stomachs, so they would need massive amounts of heat and metabolic function (not to mention really powerful stomach acids)
just my thoughts on it, but im still in university studying so take it as you will. im no expert

also as an after thought, the smaller boas (americas) feed a lot on reptilian prey, for example brb's which are reptile eaters, so they won't have as large meals and those large meals won't have such dense bone, and won't have fur or antlers or hooves. but retics and burms do eat large mammals... anywho i think im done hypothesizing

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Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

Thats probably true.. I know my womas have a lot higher metabolism then any of my other snakes.. their body temp is almost always a few degrees warmer then where they are laying.

I also know some snakes (especially those from areas that have large variations in the temp throughout the day) can retain heat better then others.. so you would have monitor the temps throughout the day to know for sure if it is warmer (or just holding the same temps from a few hours ago).

>>isn't it true that retics have rather high metabolisms? i don't really think you need to get fancy with this, but then again, i don't do retics so i don't know. but judging on my knowledge of other animals i've studied, the higher the metabolic rate the more heat produced from the animal, you can even tell this with yourself, go run around, and you raise your heart rate and your metabolism and all that and you'll start to sweat. Especially since retics eat such large meals that need to break it down via digestion before it rots in their stomachs, so they would need massive amounts of heat and metabolic function (not to mention really powerful stomach acids)
>>just my thoughts on it, but im still in university studying so take it as you will. im no expert
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Frank Roberts
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I agree, I would think they utilize "shunting" to move this "internal energies" by-products around, heated blood.
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Frank Roberts
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SNAP Frank- that's gonna leave a mark ON MY FEELINGS you peckerhead hahalol. I am not easily influenced by comments of that nature nor am I taking anything to heart from a man of your stature.
Bob

p.s. Well I responded down there now what's up pimp huh? huh? huh?

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Frank Roberts
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Wow.. there went the neighborhood..

>>SNAP Frank- that's gonna leave a mark ON MY FEELINGS you peckerhead hahalol. I am not easily influenced by comments of that nature nor am I taking anything to heart from a man of your stature.
>>Bob
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>>p.s. Well I responded down there now what's up pimp huh? huh? huh?
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Frank,
..That is an intyeresting observation. I wonder if it is realted to the fact that Great White Sharks are usually a couple degrees warmer than the surrounding water. Perhaps it does have something to do with Great Whites and Retics being BIG and cold blooded and needing some extra heat to digest the larger meals they are eating. There really is so much that we do not know about the world around us.
Jeff

>>excerpt from a conversation and the retic forum:
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>>I have noticed that reticulated pythons surface body temp are up to 5 degrees hotter than the floor or ambient temp while digesting a meal ( temp of lump ), all others ( I have tested ) including boas are the same temp as the floor and or ambient, I wonder why that is ? It's definitely related to the digestion process because you get the same results temp wise every time, and when not digesting the temp corresponds to the floor and or ambient temps, yeah I need to know why, but find myself unable to get any real scientific information, other than the fact that I am not blind.
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>>Any one notice this? and can you tell me why? Shunting perhaps ?
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>>Note: There is no hot spot and or overhead heat involved. The source is internal and directly related to reticulatus's digestion process. Have not tested any other types of pythons,
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>>I have however tested several different boas ( Bci, rainbow, dumeril ) and various species of colubrids.
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>>Yeah I have a temp gun and too much time on my hands.
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>>Also if you decide to acquire any temp readings, please be critically careful during the process. I don't want anyone " getting to know" the possible results of a snakes feeding response
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>>I also posted this here because I know we have a lot of "smartie pants" type of people save Bob.
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>>Bob
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>>I would think by now Bob knows I mean no malice.
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>>Frank Roberts
>>Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research
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True but I still have a nagging question at the back of my head which in the case of his pythons may be much simpler. Namely 'what are the pythons being fed and what is it's condition?'. ie alive, fresh kill, F/T, etc..

The main point I'm curious about is what is the temperature of the prey items when ingested.

For smaller snakes it will make a much smaller and short lived impact on the snakes core temps but when you start talking about larger size/quantity prey items it could have a very significant effect especially considering the added insulation of the pythons body to hold the heat.

Now I'm not saying that this is actually what is going on but I would have a hard time viewing findings as accurate if they did not address the issue.

Sean.

I would say on average 85 degrees, sometimes colder, sometimes warmer, some snakes like them like 105 or they dont want them, the retics would eat them frozen if I allowed. If this where the case ( your opinion ) it would have been measured in my boa's who eat food the same exact size and temp as the retics. This measure ment is in all my retics from hatchling to adults, this may be important, forgot to mention.
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Frank Roberts
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I agree Jeff, tech, we can't even tell time, we just think we can. Plus any time a "cold blooded" animal exhibits such behaviors and or characteristics it gets my attention, always the same question, how? Having bred both burmese and retic's, using maternal incubation, I am certain they use different "techniques" to brood their eggs. Retic's do not twitch / shiver like burmese, it's appears to be more about how they respire. I have also observed retic's ( every one I was fortunate enough to observe ) during gestation, invert and sporadically vibrate / move single belly scales, all over the belly in all different locations. What's that about? lol
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Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

The moving or rippling of scales is probably similar to shivering in humans. It's the body using muscles to generate heat. I've heard about it before on BP's (at least those that are incubating their own eggs).
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
21.29 BRB
19.19 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

yes Dave, That is what I was thinking, it was not during maternal incubation though, it was during gestation, but the snake will still want to keep itself at the desired temperature to successfully gestate her clutch. Energy does create heat, which I think pythons shunt and direct in certain areas of their bodies, more complex than we think.
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

I now have another use for my temp gun! My temp gun is the best tool that I never knew I needed until I started my snake obsession (aka addition)! I will use it on my spotted pythons, as this thread may cause several individuals to check the temps on BRB's (just a hunch since we are in the BRB forum).
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Mike

2.2 BRB
1.2 Spotted Python
1.0 Cal. King

What else have you taken the temperature off?????

I remember when I first got my temp gun, yeah just out of curiosity, I wonder what the temp of my {bleep} are? lol
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

on isle two by the eggs, clean up on isle two lol
Bob

p.s. no comments from the peanut gallery on this one lol Frank peanuts haha

..I say you shouldn't listen to any of these bums. They say BRBs are better looking and CRBs are ugly. Clearly these people are great examples of hat happens after years of large amounts of alcohol and drug use.
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Scott

Reptiles
--------
1 Colombian Rainbow Boa (Rocky)
1.0 Ball Python (Sultan)
0.1 California Kingsnake (Leota)
1.0 Eastern Painted Turtle (Yugi)
0.1 Red/Gold Bearded Dragon* (Irwin, R.I.P.)

Other
-----
1.0 Betta Fish (Tyrone)
1.0 Hooded Rat* (Clubber, R.I.P.)
0.1 Albino Rat (Isis)

.
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Scott

Reptiles
--------
1 Colombian Rainbow Boa (Rocky)
1.0 Ball Python (Sultan)
0.1 California Kingsnake (Leota)
1.0 Eastern Painted Turtle (Yugi)
0.1 Red/Gold Bearded Dragon* (Irwin, R.I.P.)

Other
-----
1.0 Betta Fish (Tyrone)
1.0 Hooded Rat* (Clubber, R.I.P.)
0.1 Albino Rat (Isis)

I mean how did you get a hold of my medical records for crying out loud-confidential my a$$ now I just stick with a shot of bleach in the morning followed up my cup of cough syrup and I take swigs of dayquil and swallow anti-histamines every hour to get that drowsy and woozy feeling you know, yeah you dolol Now I'm all over the counter nowadays
Bob

sprawled all over the counter?

>>Now I'm all over the counter nowadays
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
21.29 BRB
19.19 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

salivating and mumbling and no one understands what I need poor ole' Bob did I mention I have been arrested on several different occassions from several different pharmacies and believe it or not Dave, I'm not allowed on any CVS, Walgreens or Rite-Aid premises ever again go figure but man they lost a good customer though
Bob

Eckerds and Target! lol
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Scott

Reptiles
--------
1 Colombian Rainbow Boa (Rocky)
1.0 Ball Python (Sultan)
0.1 California Kingsnake (Leota)
1.0 Eastern Painted Turtle (Yugi)
0.1 Red/Gold Bearded Dragon* (Irwin, R.I.P.)

Other
-----
1.0 Betta Fish (Tyrone)
1.0 Hooded Rat* (Clubber, R.I.P.)
0.1 Albino Rat (Isis)

but the thing about those stores Scott is I try to call in my meds but IF I go to pick them up then they have my picture up next to the counter and I am quickly turned away but then I just go to home depot and sniff some paint preferrably silver dollar oil-based ooohhhhyyyyeeeeaaaahhhh!!!!!! That leaves a mark on you for sure lol Back when I was able to work I worked this younger guy and he actually told me a story. He was smoking was w--d and his mom wasn't firing on all cylinders I wouldn't imagine and knew something was wrong with him so she went to the local hardware store with a picture of her son asking if he had been purchasing any paint thinner or paint for sniffing purposes. I swear that is true and I lost the little respect I had for him after that conversation
Bob

And that is that bleach kills lol. I'd lay off that if I were you Bob.
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Scott

Reptiles
--------
1 Colombian Rainbow Boa (Rocky)
1.0 Ball Python (Sultan)
0.1 California Kingsnake (Leota)
1.0 Eastern Painted Turtle (Yugi)
0.1 Red/Gold Bearded Dragon* (Irwin, R.I.P.)

Other
-----
1.0 Betta Fish (Tyrone)
1.0 Hooded Rat* (Clubber, R.I.P.)
0.1 Albino Rat (Isis)

the morning and not a cup or I would meet my maker First I would start off with a tea spoon for a week or so and then graduate to a table spoon then a swig, then back to back swigs then you're at a shot man woooohooooo j/k But I did see on t.v. that they had this guy drink a little venom every day since he was working with King Cobras and very succeptible (sorry if it's mispelled) to bites even though they need to get in the blood stream I know I know but this reduced the effects when he was bitten but from the bites on his hands and fingers left him little movement with them afterwards so don't play with hot herps is the moral of the story and stick to those racers playa
Bob

.
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Scott

Reptiles
--------
1 Colombian Rainbow Boa (Rocky)
1.0 Ball Python (Sultan)
0.1 California Kingsnake (Leota)
1.0 Eastern Painted Turtle (Yugi)
0.1 Red/Gold Bearded Dragon* (Irwin, R.I.P.)

Other
-----
1.0 Betta Fish (Tyrone)
1.0 Hooded Rat* (Clubber, R.I.P.)
0.1 Albino Rat (Isis)

in the boa forum? I don't know how well you keep up with it since you are lurking on the rat and racer forums but Jeff Ronne got bit and wrapped up by a snake he was about to feed and Dave wrote this-absolutely hilarious and Jeff should remember this also
forums.kingsnake.com/view.php?id=1319597,1321061

I don't go in the boa forum because...well...I don't have a boa constrictor. I posted pics of Rocky there once and someone told me to post in the Rainbow Boa subforum. And that's how I came to be a regular lol.
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Scott

Reptiles
--------
1 Colombian Rainbow Boa (Rocky)
1.0 Ball Python (Sultan)
0.1 California Kingsnake (Leota)
1.0 Eastern Painted Turtle (Yugi)
0.1 Red/Gold Bearded Dragon* (Irwin, R.I.P.)

Other
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1.0 Betta Fish (Tyrone)
1.0 Hooded Rat* (Clubber, R.I.P.)
0.1 Albino Rat (Isis)

you're here
Bob

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Renee

2.0 amel & anery corns (Foxfire & Daguerre)
1.0 BRB (Loki)

I also read the racer & coachwhip forum......Dick!!!!!!!!!
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

I keep up with green tree, retic (fav) besides rainbow and boa, jungle carpet, hybrid (to try and learn) and the morph discussion forum you c--tlicker!! Take a deep breath Frank and take your meds for us
Bob

Language? let's keep it clean, low blows are fine, language however.......
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
21.29 BRB
19.19 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

bb
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

I may have swallowed more sleeping pills than nessasary!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! But every time I wake up BRB are still better than CRB.
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

...that's the result of the pills. You need some serious help.
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Scott

Reptiles
--------
1 Colombian Rainbow Boa (Rocky)
1.0 Ball Python (Sultan)
0.1 California Kingsnake (Leota)
1.0 Eastern Painted Turtle (Yugi)
0.1 Red/Gold Bearded Dragon* (Irwin, R.I.P.)

Other
-----
1.0 Betta Fish (Tyrone)
1.0 Hooded Rat* (Clubber, R.I.P.)
0.1 Albino Rat (Isis)

I $hit bigger than you!!
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

It must be the drugs. Get help. Look up the phone book for nearby rehab centers.
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Scott

Reptiles
--------
1 Colombian Rainbow Boa (Rocky)
1.0 Ball Python (Sultan)
0.1 California Kingsnake (Leota)
1.0 Eastern Painted Turtle (Yugi)
0.1 Red/Gold Bearded Dragon* (Irwin, R.I.P.)

Other
-----
1.0 Betta Fish (Tyrone)
1.0 Hooded Rat* (Clubber, R.I.P.)
0.1 Albino Rat (Isis)

helped with the drugs, but has not changed my "inebriated" opinions and or comments, although I did steal that line from the movie "city slickers" , which thanks to my drug intake I found amusing!!!
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Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

...all of your opinions are crap.

LOL just kidding Frank....I saw that you aid CRBs are pretty so I'll let you slide lol.
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Scott

Reptiles
--------
1 Colombian Rainbow Boa (Rocky)
1.0 Ball Python (Sultan)
0.1 California Kingsnake (Leota)
1.0 Eastern Painted Turtle (Yugi)
0.1 Red/Gold Bearded Dragon* (Irwin, R.I.P.)

Other
-----
1.0 Betta Fish (Tyrone)
1.0 Hooded Rat* (Clubber, R.I.P.)
0.1 Albino Rat (Isis)

you realy don't have to tell me you are joking. I may not be the "sharpest" tac in the box, but at the very least, I could and have figured this out. Save ya some typing!!!
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

ball pythons and that elephant trunk snake looks better than the best crb
Bob

putting BP's above CRB's, you should be put on time out!!

This is the rainbow forum and even the lowly CRB should be placed above a BP here!
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
21.29 BRB
19.19 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
21.29 BRB
19.19 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

You're being a bully. Lowly CRB? I think NOT! Rocky's gonna get you Dave...lol
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Scott

Reptiles
--------
1 Colombian Rainbow Boa (Rocky)
1.0 Ball Python (Sultan)
0.1 California Kingsnake (Leota)
1.0 Eastern Painted Turtle (Yugi)
0.1 Red/Gold Bearded Dragon* (Irwin, R.I.P.)

Other
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1.0 Betta Fish (Tyrone)
1.0 Hooded Rat* (Clubber, R.I.P.)
0.1 Albino Rat (Isis)

and defending the lowly CRB. Just like you do....what gives, calling me a bully for defending your position on lowly CRB's.

Keep this attitude up and I'll go back to bashing lowly CRB's!!
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
21.29 BRB
19.19 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

...calling them lowly is name calling. Rocky's getting hungry lol
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Scott

Reptiles
--------
1 Colombian Rainbow Boa (Rocky)
1.0 Ball Python (Sultan)
0.1 California Kingsnake (Leota)
1.0 Eastern Painted Turtle (Yugi)
0.1 Red/Gold Bearded Dragon* (Irwin, R.I.P.)

Other
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1.0 Betta Fish (Tyrone)
1.0 Hooded Rat* (Clubber, R.I.P.)
0.1 Albino Rat (Isis)

even it is too big what the hell see what happens and take some pain pills that the dentist gave you lol and chill or clean house whatever feeling you get
Bob

OK boys.. I have the ring set up already.. Dave, your in the red corner, Scott you get blue.. I want a good clean fight..

Scott, you can't hit Dave hard cause he is old, and Dave - no hitting Scott in the mouth cause he is already wounded..

Are you ready?? Come out fighting on the bell!!

>>You're being a bully. Lowly CRB? I think NOT! Rocky's gonna get you Dave...lol
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>>Scott
>>
>>Reptiles
>>--------
>>1 Colombian Rainbow Boa (Rocky)
>>1.0 Ball Python (Sultan)
>>0.1 California Kingsnake (Leota)
>>1.0 Eastern Painted Turtle (Yugi)
>>0.1 Red/Gold Bearded Dragon* (Irwin, R.I.P.)
>>
>>Other
>>-----
>>1.0 Betta Fish (Tyrone)
>>1.0 Hooded Rat* (Clubber, R.I.P.)
>>0.1 Albino Rat (Isis)
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photos.xtremecombatsports.com

peace be with you, and also with you.

Takes off collar...( EVIL GRIN )

I AM THE PITCHER, YOU ARE THE CATCHER!!!!!!!!
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

are pretty snakes, for the record.
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

Same here but Scott makes it so much fun to "bash" the "lowly CRB"
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
21.29 BRB
19.19 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

For the record.. I admit it.. I like the "lowly CRB" too.. Might even get a pair this year.. not committing.. but maybe..
>>Same here but Scott makes it so much fun to "bash" the "lowly CRB"
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>>Thanks,
>>
>>
>>Dave Colling
>>
>>www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com
>>
>>
>>
>>0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
>>0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)
>>
>>LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
>>21.29 BRB
>>19.19 BCI
>>And those are only the breeders
>>
>>lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats
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photos.xtremecombatsports.com

I already know your opinion ( of CRB ) and your motive ( chiding ssp ? )
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

what is c note?
what is ssp??
what is LMAO???

sincerely stupid and beligerant in all areas
Bob

what is c note?

Humm I am thinking a hundred dollar bill, but more likely music related.

what is ssp??

mean's one is unsure if the spelling of the word is correct.

what is LMAO???

Laugh My Ass Off
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

-

...please tell me you were joking lol.

I'm pretty sure ssp means subspecies. sic? is when u r unsure if something is spelled incorrectly.

a c note is a music note btw(btw is by the way)
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Scott

Reptiles
--------
1 Colombian Rainbow Boa (Rocky)
1.0 Ball Python (Sultan)
0.1 California Kingsnake (Leota)
1.0 Eastern Painted Turtle (Yugi)
0.1 Red/Gold Bearded Dragon* (Irwin, R.I.P.)

Other
-----
1.0 Betta Fish (Tyrone)
1.0 Hooded Rat* (Clubber, R.I.P.)
0.1 Albino Rat (Isis)

I know ssp = subspecies

But when I post to the forum and possibly spell something wrong

I put this after the word ( ssp??? )

I probably should use ( sp??? )

But I am correct on the meaning ( to me ), if bob is referring to one of my posts. I didn't think people would confuse the two "possible" meanings of what I WROTE because it's placement would be more "outside" the subject line than I usually delve.
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

I learned that in english in HS. Note how I'm saying I learned all this stuff in high school and not in college(see response to House lingo). Is it really worth going anymore? lol
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Scott

Reptiles
--------
1 Colombian Rainbow Boa (Rocky)
1.0 Ball Python (Sultan)
0.1 California Kingsnake (Leota)
1.0 Eastern Painted Turtle (Yugi)
0.1 Red/Gold Bearded Dragon* (Irwin, R.I.P.)

Other
-----
1.0 Betta Fish (Tyrone)
1.0 Hooded Rat* (Clubber, R.I.P.)
0.1 Albino Rat (Isis)

learned that in high school, but since I have been out 20 years already, stuff like that slips my mind because it lacks any significant importance as far as I am concerned. Albert Einstein had his phone # written down, he claimed, to memorize it, was a waste of "brain space" because you do not call yourself often. I may be no genius, but I may have considered that (sic?) a waste of brain space, otherwise I would committed it to memory to "impress" you in a rather insignificant conversation. I also write and speak in fragments and run on sentences, but I do know what these things are and I also know when I am not using "proper" english.
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

Per wikipedia

Sic is a Latin word meaning "thus", "so", or "just as that". In writing, it is placed within square brackets and usually italicized — [sic] — to indicate that an incorrect or unusual spelling, phrase, punctuation, and/or other preceding quoted material has been reproduced verbatim from the quoted original and is not a transcription error.

The word sic may be used either to show that an uncommon or archaic usage is reported faithfully (for instance, quoting the U.S. Constitution, "The House of Representatives shall chuse [sic] their Speaker..."

So, as I understand it [sic] means the preceding word is correct even though looks incorrect (or intentionally spelled incorrectly) So, I guess maybe (sic?) could reverse the meaning?

I've myself have always used (sp?)

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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
21.29 BRB
19.19 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

smartie pants
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
21.29 BRB
19.19 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA!!!!
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Scott

Reptiles
--------
1 Colombian Rainbow Boa (Rocky)
1.0 Ball Python (Sultan)
0.1 California Kingsnake (Leota)
1.0 Eastern Painted Turtle (Yugi)
0.1 Red/Gold Bearded Dragon* (Irwin, R.I.P.)

Other
-----
1.0 Betta Fish (Tyrone)
1.0 Hooded Rat* (Clubber, R.I.P.)
0.1 Albino Rat (Isis)

m
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

adopt Dave's way (sp?) cuz he has the "goods" all the "goods" and when I type to Frank I will (ssp?) unless you want a (sic?) symbol Frank but I don't want to be nothing like Scott Evil so I prefer the (ssp?) when typing to you. I got to be at the baseball park at 8a.m. for my boy's pics so nighty night fellas and type to y'all tomorrow after the reptile show
Bob

bb
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

Busy day tomorrow so won't be on much until evening - maybe!!
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
21.29 BRB
19.19 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

...
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

me too Scott and I think y'all know how I feel about balls too. I don't like them at all but like earthworms better but don't want to touch either one
Bob

np
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Scott

Reptiles
--------
1 Colombian Rainbow Boa (Rocky)
1.0 Ball Python (Sultan)
0.1 California Kingsnake (Leota)
1.0 Eastern Painted Turtle (Yugi)
0.1 Red/Gold Bearded Dragon* (Irwin, R.I.P.)

Other
-----
1.0 Betta Fish (Tyrone)
1.0 Hooded Rat* (Clubber, R.I.P.)
0.1 Albino Rat (Isis)

...
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

there is no need to drag the elephant trunk snake into this is there? what about my childhood dreams!!!!

Poopie face!!!!!!!!!
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

I mean come on buddy, who were you trying to fool???
Bob

Yesterday, love was such an easy game to play, now I use drugs to wash the night away, I believe, I missed yesterday!!!

One should change lyrics to suit the circumstance.

The devil recites "scripture" for his own purpose. ( Jewish proverb ? )

Sombodies Proverb of this I am certain.

Also, the philosophy, " I think therefore I am " doesn't apply to me.

Crazy people, should not take that philosophy to heart...
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research