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Pet Shop - "Tame Sav - $79.99"

HappyHillbilly Jun 10, 2007 12:06 AM

I know there have been a lot of these stories posted here, so many that we don't even want to read them but still do. But after going to several different petshops the last two days and seeing so many wrong things, one after another, I had to get this off my chest.

The "tame sav" was almost laughable. It would've been had it not actually been sad overall.

My wife and kids called me over to an area and said they had a "tame sav." I laughed & said, "I bet they do. Remember how tame ours was when we first got it?" (My sav was aprox. 2-ft long when we got it from a petshop. Definitely a fresh w/c.)

I go over to the setup & see a 20-gal. long tank with 18-inch sav, aspen bedding, 12-inch UVB, and 1/2-inch wire mesh top. The only heat source was a small, 6-inch or so, heatrock, no basking bulb. Sign on tank reads: "Savannah Monitor - Tame $79.99"

It was slightly underfed and appeared attentive, I assumed being on the lookout for something to eat. They said thy've had it since it was 6-inches long. I told them I'd like to see how tame it was.

When they opened the top the sav quickly faced their hand & then the owner said, "Oh, I'd better feed it first. That will settle it down." They whack a mouse against the tank and tossed it in. Gone in 60 seconds.

The owner again started to reach into the tank & the sav spun around lookin' for more food. "Whack" goes another mouse & into the tank it goes. "I haven't fed him in a couple of days so he's pretty hungry," the owner said.

Once again, when they reach into the tank the sav is glaring at their hand. They go get a towel to get it out with and it took everything I had to keep from laughing at this point.

Once they got it out of the cage it hissed a few times but did seem to be somewhat used to being handled and not like a fresh w/c acts, in "shut-down fear."

When we left I turned to my wife and said, "You reckon' someone oughta tell 'em that a "tame" sav doesn't need to be removed with a towel?"

Fortunately, there were only a few reptiles in this small, country, petshop that's also a feed store. Not a single setup had a basking bulb or major heat source.

My regular petshop was out of small crickets that I need for my baby beardies so I had to go to other petshops in search of some. That's what led me on this eye-opening journey. I've been to the other 3 shops a few times here & there but never on a 1, 2, 3, type shopping trip. The conditions I saw in 3 different stores, back-to-back, was an eye-opener for me.

All 3 of the shops didn't have any basking sites set up in any of their cages. One had UVB on their baby ball pythons but not on some lizard setps that needed it. I'm still scratching my head on that one. When I asked the man in his early 20s that was working there if they had one of those cheap thermostats he handed me a thermometer. I said, "No, a thermostat."

"What,... what's it used for?" he asked.

"Never mind. Thanks anyway." And I left.

Yeah, I've seen similar conditions in shops here & there, but when you see it in 3 different shops, one right after another, its quite a wakeup call.

I'm proud to say that the petstore I've been using regularly for the last 10 yrs does things right. Each cage is set up close, or fairly close, to proper, per species.

In fact, I had to take a rescued beardie to the only reptile vet in the area and he's 60 miles away. When I told him the petshop I use he stopped what he was doing and said, "You know, those are good people that really take care of their animals. One of a few anywhere around here."

Oh, well. I feel a lil' better now that I got that off my chest.

Ya'll take care!
HH

"Have you slapped a petshop employee today?"
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Due to political correctness run amuck,
this ol' hillbilly is now referred to as an:
Appalachian American

Replies (7)

kap10cavy Jun 10, 2007 12:46 AM

Did you get a chance to talk to the shops "Reptile Expert"?
You know, the 16 year old that owns a ball python?

Scott
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Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.

HappyHillbilly Jun 10, 2007 01:22 AM

Ha! Nah, he must've been "out to lunch" (if you know what I mean).

The kicker in my case is that all of these aren't chain-stores, they're ma & pa stores that the owners are active in. I saw the owners of 2 of the 3 stores but the woman that owns the one that "thermometer boy" worked at wasn't there. At least "thermometer boy" wasn't out to lunch. He should've been, but wasn't. Although, his lights were on but nobody was home.

One store has 3 older employees that's been there for about 6 yrs or more and seem somewhat intelligent. I guess they just don't care.

I can somewhat see not providing basking sites if they have a quick turn-around, even though I would still provide them, but these stores don't have that fast of a turn-around.
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Due to political correctness run amuck,
this ol' hillbilly is now referred to as an:
Appalachian American

jobi Jun 10, 2007 01:55 AM

African monitors love land snails and hissers, they breed like crazy too!

I use to have a zillion of both until some clown treated my water source with javel without telling me, now I am back to a new start. No chirping!

Sonya Jun 10, 2007 02:14 PM

Okay, as a pet store slave that has been in the business for most of my life I have to play devils advocate over a couple points. ONE first and foremost....there are a boat load of crappy pet stores out there, more bad than good likely. Not defending them.
Pet stores have a near impossible task finding people who want to work and who are generally passionate about all sorts of animals and learning and obsessing about. If you are lucky you can get someone to work one department and do it competently. It is like finding a book store worker that loves every genre and can tell you the topic and jist of every book they sell. There is some need and expectation of research on the part of the purchaser.
Pet stores exist for beginners. Face it. You aren't gonna find an Argus or cool boa morph in a pet store. No one is gonna wholesale out their hard work and babies. So pet stores are stuck with wild caught, wholesaled animals.
But, with a passionate store you will find people willing to find you the products you want and push you in the right direction to learning more and having healthy pets. Dying animals don't create repeat business. GOOD pet stores have passionate people that know more than you are at least similar and can share info. But face it, pet store slaves have their limits. The ownere limits what can happen. The manager limits too.
And too, when you know everything about everything then you can realize that the kid in the store at least has the potential for learning and getting better.Only thing he learns if you are rude and uppy at them is that you are a jerk. (this is a generic 'you' not insinuating that you HH or jobi would do such a thing)
And after all.....what of you don't really kinda enjoy going into pet stores? Come on. Okay, there are hideous ones that you run out of, scream, burn your clothes and shower after....but there are cool ones too that are like going to the zoo when you were a kid.
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Sonya

I'm not mean. You're just a sissy.
Happy Bunny

jobi Jun 10, 2007 02:41 PM

Been selling my herps to pet shops for 20 years or more already, I don’t condemn them but offer my help when ever possible, being wholesaler I rarely deal with them directly, but if a walk inn a shop and see things that can be improved without trouble, I will advice.

One thing I often say is to leave them alone, peoples can see them true glass, no need to disturb the animals every time theirs a potential buyer in shop, he will understand the animals need for tranquility, and a good keeper will appreciate the respect given to this animal.

That’s about all I have to say, competence is a question of individual, not necessarily about one particular store, and even then iv seen some terrible shops turn into excellent one in time. Peoples evolve like anything. The worst employee may become tomorrows Walter Auffenberg who knows?

HappyHillbilly Jun 10, 2007 02:46 PM

Nice inside view, Sonya! Thanks!

I know all too well how hard it is to find qualified help, or even just finding someone wanting/willing to work, period. I have helpers for my floorcovering biz.

There's probably a better ratio of good/bad stores than the 1 out of 4 that I mentioned in my area. I hope so, at least. In fact, if I stop to think about all the different petshops I've been to this year, a total of 9 or more, at least 5 of those were acceptable. I also realize & agree that petshops are basically for beginners but I can't drive PAST one. LOL!

My point was about the lack of proper care/setups of stores where the owners are active in daily, on-the-floor, operations. No, thankfully, not all are like that. And neither are all employees clueless.

Heh, I didn't take your comment "...you are a jerk..." in a negative way, I knew what you meant. My personality is the same on these forums as it is in real-life, its hard for me to be rude unless provoked. Although, I have goofed a time or two and done so. I was nice to "thermometer boy" (just kidding, its a joke) and not short, blunt, hasty, or whatever, with him when I said, "Thanks anyway."

As for stereotyping, heh, I don't take it personally, just like I don't think you do either. Some people do. As a hillbilly, I get a kick out of laughing at myself and/or prime examples. The same way I get lumped into the "dumb ol' southerner (or, redneck)" group. I said all that to try to justify my "Have you slapped your petshop employee today?" comment. By the way, I strongly advise against any of ya'll slappin' Sonya if you should encounter her. Ha! Ha!

Take care!
HH
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Due to political correctness run amuck,
this ol' hillbilly is now referred to as an:
Appalachian American

Sonya Jun 10, 2007 05:21 PM

>Cool, I didn't take it personally. I just get tired of "pet stores suck"
In my area there is the 1 to 4 ratio. One is Petco, nuf said, then the Mall has a puppy pusher, then there is a hole in the wall with mite riddled herps and birds in tiny cages with no toys, that likewise pushes puppys....then there is us. HINT, we are the one that doesn't suck.
We do birds, small animals, herps and fish (marine and fresh) and we have to know all the departments as it is not possible to have four people on duty all the time. The ownere would go broke on payroll. So there is usually two on at a time with some overlap.
So days the 'aquatics specialist' is off we have to have some basic knowledge so as not to sell $150 corals for $20 and be able to give reasonable advice about fish. I try to drill into the guys what NEVER to do with the herps, what ALWAYS to remember to tell folks and all that. I usually try to bring in my own animals to impress the new guy with exactly how big a savannah gets or a snake, or what a Blue front amazon parrot is like or what not. Most of us have something that comes to work with us. The fish we post pictures of. Stuff like that.
Like I said, it is a great thing to have passionate people.
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Sonya

I'm not mean. You're just a sissy.
Happy Bunny

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