So you would like a Northern Pine to grow up and look like a Black/white Cal king except it's got saddles instead of bands? That's a good question. Sounds like a good breeding project. The Pine Barrens New Jersey stock would be good stock to work with. I don't think we can guarantee a Northern Pine at this point not todevelop any ground color as it developes into adult. Most of the pituophis people from my experince love to see those subtle ground colors that develope in pits. I love the reddish ground colors that develope in New Jersey pines. I would think you should start selective breeding and develope a higher black/white contrast and use adults that don't develope very much ground colors. The first thing that signals me is after a shed or two, you will see some with higher contrast between the saddles and ground. I will say though, when those Northern Pines start showing some of the reddish ovdertones in their ground color, their an awesome looking snake. You have a great start Keith with the baby pines you posted, but I think you would need to start doing some selective breeding to get a white and black Northern Pine. Good luck
>>I know they change in color from juveniles to adults. I know some get bone white some cream some brown some in between. My 2 posted below are different, you cant see it in the pics but the male is a cream/beige color and the female is more of an ash color. Is there anyway to determine what becomes a nice bright white Pine. The father on these is a nice white one and one mother is real white and the other mother cream/white. So Im asking all you N Pine guys what do you look for in juveniles to signal that they will grow up to be white ?
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