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the irian jaya and jungle are fresh shed today pics and the jaguar is a today pic and the coastal pics are a few months old
2000 Bob Futo Jungle male

2005 Spitfire Irian Jaya female

2006 Spitfire Bredli Jaguar female

2003 Coastal unknown linage female
she is more grey than this but she was entering a shed

as much as i love rainbows i am addicted to AUS. snakes

That banded JCP is nice Tim!!
BUT I LOVE that IJ!!

>>the irian jaya and jungle are fresh shed today pics and the jaguar is a today pic and the coastal pics are a few months old
>>2000 Bob Futo Jungle male
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>>2005 Spitfire Irian Jaya female
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>>2006 Spitfire Bredli Jaguar female
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>>2003 Coastal unknown linage female
>>she is more grey than this but she was entering a shed
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>> as much as i love rainbows i am addicted to AUS. snakes
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They are awesome I love carpets too, I have JCP's, Jungle/Diamonds, a male coastal.

Yasser, got some nice animals, I love his west papuans.

I also have been wanting to buy a female scrub from his bloodline.
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

i want a pair of pure diamonds that is one snake no matter how nice the crosses could be i feel should stay pure like the hogg island boa i think that should stay pure im not against hybrids or crosses but there are a few i feel should stay pure

Ive always wanted a Hog Island Boa...they are truly beautiful!

I think there should be "pure lines" of all animals.

Genetic Integrity is very important to all species of animals, but, I can understand why the "creation" of designer animals has a "small following" ( some of them are quite pleasing to eye. )

The following was posted by myself in the "Hybrid" forum:

considered controversial......

by many people because they think the resulting offspring are unnatural ( not occurring in nature ). It also is believed by some to pollute the genetic integrity of the animals, especially if somehow they are inadvertently or possibly purposely bred into a "pure" line of snakes. Plus, similar looking animals being hybridized can create progeny that are very hard to distinguish from the "pure form" For example, Indian and Burmese Pythons can create offspring that look like either form, well, bad example, because these are intergrades, but you get the point. I personally enjoy the scientific ramifications off hybrids and how it questions systematic's in general. A snake may end up being just that "a snake". As long as properly represented, people should be able to play "god" if they wish. Almost ALL snakes in the "Herpetoculture circle" are not suited for utilization in the "species survival plan" any way, if people in this hobby think they are breeding future populations that will someday be released into the wild, I can safely say 99 % would be considered unsuitable based on their genetic diversity alone, even with no "hybrids" being created. Too much line breeding and other practices going on that would make them unsuitable. If you believe this information to be inaccurate, please get someone who is charge, yes in charge, of making the "scientific decisions" in choosing animals for such a program that is sanctioned by the government and the scientific body. I am correct, of this I am certain!!!! So most arguments against hybrids I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND, but all in all, at this point in time, are basically redundant, this is because the people who make the decisions have already considered the herpetoculture hobbies resulting offspring, unsuitable for reintroduction into the wild. Most certainly, the creation of hybrids puts an even larger "black eye" on the herpetocultural community in the eyes of the scientific community ( you know, the " REAL EXPERTS OF KNOWLEDGE AND POWER " )

BTW I am Both PRO & Anti hybrid, go figure!!!!!!!!!

But let's say some day I want to breed a "this" to a "that" , that is MY right to do so, so therefore, it is your right to do so as far as I am concerned, but one thing, please make it more interesting than a Burmese to an African Rock, and no more carpondros, although VERY interesting I must admit, but when they mature they look like CRAP, if one could figure a way to make them keep their neonate coloration as adults, well then SIGN ME UP !!!!!!!!!!

CONTRADICTIONS................

Pro Hybrid = Ball X Woma

( just too [Bleeping] AWESOME )

BY far the best to date!!!!! Better than Bateater's to me!!!

That Kevin ( Satan ) has lived up to his vernacular name on this one, sooo wicked-evil looking, it's a matter of course that a guy named SATAN Creates the CROSS ( evil grin, irony intended )

Anti Hybrid = Ball X Angolan

( similar phenotypes & Angolan is an endangered species, which should be avoided, oh yeah, the science department cannot use that specimen anyway even before the MAD SCIENTISTS dared play God )

But................................

Triple Dog Dare Ya, to try giving me an Ball/Angolan Hybrid....you won't even see it leave your hands!!!!!!!!!! and well, since someone "polluted" the Angolans genetic integrity already, I will try "not" breeding it to a BURM, maybe back to a ball, so I can get the "approval" of the scientific and Herpetologic communities.

COMPLETE & Utterly contradicatory.....The Albino Rock X Burms Hybrid. I see why some frown upon Hybrids.

I like the anti-hybrid community being as adamant as they are. Even though our " pure" snakes ( in general ) are not suitable for reintroduction's into the wild, their , "pure line status" must be protected from any such "pollutants" and keep hybridization AS " a rare occurrences in Herpetoculture" ( UNLESS YOUR NAME IS SATAN ) By "a rare occurrence" I mean the ratio of "Purists" to "Pro hybrid types who are successful in their breeding trials"

I think the balance of the "Purists" to "Hybridizers" will ensure there are always, herpetoculturally speaking, "pure gene" lines represented in the captive environment.

I would NEVER want to sway an Anti-Hybrid herpetoculturists to the side of a Pro-Hybrid herpetoculturists. The more "Purists" the better, but I can't see one existing without the other in his "Hobby". So there will always be "pure lines" and "hybrid lines" as long as the one continues to out weigh the other.
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

lol i am so anti and pro hybrid/ crosses but exactly things need to be sold for what they are not what they are not also i highly doubt there will be a reintroduction to the wild witht he snakes and if there is it will not be from breeders and collects like us it will be taking wild or maybe MAYBE a captive pair or so of whatever type and bred on a "farm" in the wild and let the babies slither off to wherever but yeha not the hybrid forum so i wont get to into it here but i am def pro and con for hybrids/crosses just nice to make sure there is pure animals still around

The true pure animals will become more valuable, to the people who care. I ahave 1.2 Spotted Python, and that is a line that has not been kept pure. Thus, I do know I have small pythons (% spotted, vs Stimsons, vs Childrens will alsways be unknown). I do still feel they will make great pets and even breeders, as I feel the small pythons are under-apreciated. The act more like BRB's when you handle then vs ball pythons. They don't stay still but are docile (except for one real mean one I have - who is calming down some).
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Mike

2.4 BRB
1.2 Spotted Python
1.0 Cal. King

I bet ya 3 peso's that snake looks better in person, most JCP look better in person because it is not easy to get their bright yellow (when it seems to glow) coloration in the photo.

Peso's hehe.
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

i bet your right lol his color isnt 10X better in person but alot better i think jungles have something in there scales that make it hard to capture i could get the yellow from my GTP no prob but now i cant get the GTP blue to come out in pics lol

Oooh. Beautiful animals. LOVE the IJ.

Carpets are so stiking, and while I'd likely never own one, I love seeing pictures of them.
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Danielle

Herps:
1.1 BRBs
1.0 Amel Motley Corn
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Other critters:
1.0 Great Dane
1.0 Siamese
1 Senegal Parrot
1 Blue Fronted Amazon

n/p
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Danielle

Herps:
1.1 BRBs
1.0 Amel Motley Corn
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Other critters:
1.0 Great Dane
1.0 Siamese
1 Senegal Parrot
1 Blue Fronted Amazon

thanks carpets are wonderful animals i love them all and one day i shall own all the morelia well hopefully lol

I like the animals you have!

Do you have any of the small pythons? I have spotteds's and looking for Stimsons and Anthills - Childrens do not do to much for me (they lose their colors..)
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Mike

2.4 BRB
1.2 Spotted Python
1.0 Cal. King