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Here it is guys...

with the ingredients.

...you can get a closer, post shed look, in Daytona.
Keith MacClugage

The American Heritage® Dictionary-
jigsaw (v.) To arrange intricately; interlock

EARTH'S EXOTICS

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Very nice looking ball, Congrats.

Great name! Beautiful animal. Congrats!

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Kyle
www.royalvariations.com

"be safe, be happy and dont let anyone make you afraid" David Coverdale

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Vince Pramuk

Very cool! I love the name, too.

That's a beauty...getting a Pin this year for sure now.
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Dale....dgoins222@yahoo.com
www.LibertyReptiles.com

If mojaves are the same thing as lessers and butters just better or worse coloration as may be the case, then you produced a kingpin though, right?

Mojaves and Lessers are not the same thing. Compare the Jigsaw to the Kingpin and you will see they are different.

Keith
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I was not trying to upset you, just to point something out. If they are not the same animal why can you breed a mojave to a lesser and get a leucistic, same as you can mojave x mojave or lesser x lesser only the lessers leucistics are better colored?

Evan you didn't upset me...I was just stating what I believe to be true and what my eyes appear to be telling me (especially with reading glasses on )
As far as when crossed why they produce a white snake, someone better versed in genetics may be able to answer that one.

Peace, Keith
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I appreciate that. I am not saying it is the same thing if you read my first post. I was just thinking out loud that if those three animals prove to be the same you may have a different looking kingpin on your hands. That in no way diminishes what a cool hatch it is. Just putting that thought out there. I do think and it is just my opinion, based on what they produce and talking with guys who go and buy stuff in Africa, that the three animals are the same gene just a different base pigment or locality.

Cool...
a little controversy makes it interesting!

Keith
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One way to explain the compatibility AND the consistently different colors/patterns is that the het blue eyed luecistic complex may be an allele group. Alleles are DIFFERENT versions of the SAME gene. In this theory, this group contains multiple mutant versions rather than just one mutant and one normal version as with more familiar allele groups (like the spider mutant and normal for spider allele pair).

A good test of this theory is to see if the mutant combo snakes within this group (like lesser phantom = karma or the mojave lesser leucistics or the mojave Vin Russo leucistic) only produce the two parent types when bred to a normal and don't produce any normals or combos from breeding to a normal. This could possibly be mimicked by two different genes that just happen to be closely linked by being close together on the same chromosome but the longer we go without a crossover causing an exception to the expected allele test results the more confidence we can have in the theory.

It's even possible that crystal and platy may be mutant combos in this allele group just like the leucistics. A dilute mutant version of this gene may combine with lesser to make a platy but not show much if at all by it's self.

The day the Sutherland's change the Mojave name to Lesser...

Why would they do that?

Keith
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The people saying the Lesser, Butter, and Mojave are the same animal, and the crosses should be named the same. When the Sutherlands rename the Mojave as a Lesser, then the crosses should all be named the same, until then, have at the naming

Dave

Sweet looking combo and I like the the name, it is fitting. I really think I have to get a pinstripe, the combos are amazing.
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very nice. congratS!
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Dave
Phila, PA

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Nice Keith-very pretty!

And at a fraction of the cost...

J/K, I swear!
I still think a funny name for the Pin X lesser would be:
"Pointless" (not that it isn't a GREAT looking snake, just the name pointless.
lol

AWESOME!!! A big Congradts!!! I can't wait to see it in person at in Daytona.
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Rob Trenor
RK Reptiles
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