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I know that there are some hot Python hybrids (Ball/Carpets, WOW!) right now but I haven’t seen to many wild boa combos. I have an Argentine/ Columbian mix but that still isn’t in the same ballpark as a Ball/ Carpet mixing. I mean a Brazilian Rainbow/ Columbian Boa or some thing like a Dumeril’s/ Columbian Boa. How about mixing in some Anaconda? Can it be done? Has it been done?

I am a little ignorant about the boa seen because I have immersed my self in Pythons for the last decade but I have renewed my interest in Boas as of late. I hear all kinds of hybrids for Pythons; some are very different, but not much with the boas. Why?

If your talking about'red tail boas' or bos constrictor then the issue is not getting a hybrid but more finding pure lines assuming you care.

Also hog and 'rtb' have been crossed alot in different percentages.

I know one person doing brazilian rainbow x albino columbian rainbow.

Not sure about the other possible boa crosses though.

Sean.

NO, I’m not talking about Red Tailed mixes, and IF you are such a Purist, what are you doing on the hybrid forum? Picking fights!?!

I do care about maintaining pure lines, but I do think there is a market for hybrids as long as the breeder is honest! BUT THAT WAS NOT MY QUESTION! I’m not asking about Red Tail mixes or Rainbow mixes, I’m asking if their has been a radical mix like some of the mixes done with pythons, i.e. Woma/Balls or Reticulated/Burmese. Try to wrap you imagination around it; something like a Rainbow/Red Tail. Can it be done and has it been done.

P.S.: I’m not interested in disusing the ethics of purity or of hybrids, I’m just curious from a scientific standpoint. I’m not going to want a sand boa/anaconda, but I’d like to know if it is possible.

I think it can be done, I wouldn't mind seeing a Brazilian Rainbow / Anaconda ( either yellow or green ), Dumeril / BCI, Rainbow / BCI etc. Apparently either people are not interested or they are EXTREMEMLY hard to get viable offspring. I would imagine someone is trying. One of the reasons I come here, I am very interested in the systematic's of hybrids. The Woma / Ball hybrid for example, I nearly pissed myself.

I think they will materialize over time. Stay tuned is what I DO.
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

In years gone by it was reported that a person successfully produced offspring from Brazilian Rainbow x Anaconda (not sure if green or yellow). Of course nobody knows who it was that did it.

I did see a couple pix of the supposed animals, but they were fairly poor quality so couldn't really tell anything from it.
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Randall L Turner Jr.
Boas make the world go round.

I heard the same, but always thought if it where so, someone would post a good pic. But I realy do believe those snakes would make a viable hybrid. Ever since I saw the Burm / ball, I feel who knows what's possible at this point. lol
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

Burm/ Ball?!? I haven’t herd about that one! I would love to see it! I guess Balls are kind of the “blonds” of the python world, or maybe just the universal solvent.
Think if I had a choice, I would like a Ball/ Rock Python, ya know, a Smaller Rock with a better attitude.

PLEASE post a link for the Burm /Ball!

You really need to be alittle less paranoid/defensive.

If you had read any of my other posts in this forum you probably would have realized that you are completely misconstruing what I said.

My comment on it being more dificult to find pure lines then crossed lines was not an attack on hybridizing. I was merely using that fact as evidence that these crosses had been occuring heavily in the industry. Nothing more.

Some people are purists some are not, there are arguements against both sides. I did not know where every reader may lie or if they, like Frank I believe, fall on both sides.

Likewise my comment about hog island boas was simply further evidence of a common boa hybrid.

Similarly the Rainbow boa cross mention was just another example of a current cross project I knew someone doing.

My comment about the possibility of other crosses was meely a humble acknowledgement of my own limited expertice in the field of hybridization of reptiles.

If you want a better idea of where I stand here is a link to a post(one topic below yours) that I posted well before you started your topic. I'm not trying to be inflamatory just trying to point out a mistake so it does not happen again.

http://forums.kingsnake.com/view.php?id=1329518,1329497

Hope this clears the meaning of my post up.

Sean.

That’s cool.

When I got your post I thought you were like the guys over on the Boa Constrictor page. YOU DO NOT want to mention a hybrid project at that forum, it’s hard enough to mention you have one!

I do acknowledge the importance of maintaining a pure bloodline and some kind of registration, like an AKC, would be nice. As long as the snakes are willing and the general public has them, there will be mixes. As far as Boa is concerned, most of the, “ I bought it at Petco crowd”, don’t even know about the different types.

Sorry for jumping to conclusions.

well some people on the "boa forum" severely inbred their snakes to accentuate certain anomalies aka line breeding. They are creating animals with compromised genetic diversity. While people that hybridize are creating animals with compromised genetic integrity.

It's all fun and games till some boa looses an EYE.
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

"It's all fun and games till some boa looses an EYE"

Funny, I don't think I've ever seen a one eye'd salmontine
but I've seen a dozen Original Strain Amels with one or NO
eyes....wonder how that happens LOL

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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

“Ya, your Mud-blood Hybrids are screwing up the gene pool! My F9 transparent, glow in the dark, paternless Suriname is sooo much better, I only had 30 slugs and two offspring last time.” Try putting that “purebred” back in the wild. LOL!

PS. The above comment was said in fun and not aimed at any individual, but for the sheer enjoyment of all..

To Frank: Thanks for the pictures! I can’t weight to see the Ball/ Burm as an adult!

curious to see that snake as an adult, I heard it was located outside the US, but I bet ya more people will try now that they know it's possible, I have been wondering why we see no red blood X burms or red bloods X retic's, IT has to be possible.
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

np, glad it's cleared up and wasn't personal

Sean.

Me too.

I just read a brilliant post from the boa forum that I would like to share. I think this guy cuts to the hart of it all.

He writes:

I applaud the efforts of those who breed pure locale boas, but it will never be something anyone will use for replacing wild populations, etc. Aside from disease factors/genetic defects that might be introduced to wild populations, even though you breed for wild-type you are "selectively breeding" apart from "natural selection." Even if not specifically inbred, they would be unsuitable for release. So, I feel that breeding even if "pretty mutts" to supply for the demand in captivity so as to take pressure off of wild populations also helps preserve the locale boas. Hog X Colombians are considered "Bci" and are really no more mixed than the average pet store "Colombian." But, if you were looking to make intergrades, Suriname X Hogs ("Orange Flames" are very pretty, and I'd assume Salmontine-sunsets would be, too.

look....at this thread and one below labeled CONTRADICTIONS.
READ ME

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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

>>I know that there are some hot Python hybrids (Ball/Carpets, WOW!) right now but I haven’t seen to many wild boa combos. I have an Argentine/ Columbian mix but that still isn’t in the same ballpark as a Ball/ Carpet mixing. I mean a Brazilian Rainbow/ Columbian Boa or some thing like a Dumeril’s/ Columbian Boa. How about mixing in some Anaconda? Can it be done? Has it been done?
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>>I am a little ignorant about the boa seen because I have immersed my self in Pythons for the last decade but I have renewed my interest in Boas as of late. I hear all kinds of hybrids for Pythons; some are very different, but not much with the boas. Why?

Well, one reason is there are alot more pythons than boas, and boa breeders seem to be much more concerned with keeping the different localities and subspecies pure than python breeders. I'm assuming this is because most boa integrades are hard to tell apart from pure boas, while with python hybrids it's usually pretty obvious what they are.

Also, a couple years ago I saw an ad with a boa constrictor/ Dumeril's hybrid for sale in the classifieds. I haven't heard anything about these, and it looked like just an unusual Dumeril's to me, so I don't know if it was real or not.
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MY COLLECTION:
1.0 '04 Columbian BCI
0.1 '05 Blood Python
0.0.1 Hypo Sonoran BCI
0.2 Ball Pythons

MY WISHLIST:
A Northern Blue-Tongue Skink
1.1 Brazilian Rainbow Boas
1.1 Hogg Island Boas
1.0 Salmon BCI
0.2 Columbian BCI
1.1 Sumatran Short-Tail Pythons
1.1 Borneo Short-Tail Pythons
1.1 Suriname BCC
1.2 Spotted Pythons
2.4 African House Snakes
2.4 Bearded Dragons
1.2 Rankins Dragons
2.6 Crested Geckos
2 ferrets

A boa X anaconda was the most interesting hybrid I have ever seen personally.

Looked a bit more like an anaconda than a boa, but was cool never the less.

Mean as heck.