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Well, it's good to know

azatrox Jun 16, 2007 09:31 AM

that everyone's voice was heard and HB12 was given fair and impartial consideration before being signed by the Governor...(can you catch my dripping sarcasm?)

Wanna know why so many Americans are so apathetic towards the government and their voting rights? It might have something to do with the fact that they don't feel like they have a voice...as illustrated by the backdoor riders placed on this bill by politicians with their own personal agendas....

America...Land of the free, home of the brave and depository for the self-serving politicians....

I'm not condoning apathy, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why "Mr./Mrs. Middle America" has almost no confidence in their political representation...

-AzAtrox

Replies (4)

Eby Jun 16, 2007 10:09 AM

We all need to find creative ways to thwart this law and embarass anyone that tries to enforce it. I have a number of fun ideas that I can't wait to try out.

I'd post them here, but...
1)LE is lurking and I'd rather not clue them in
2)It really doesn't take much imagination to come up with your own ideas to legally tharwt this law while avoiding the risk of prosecution (though some approaches will require an entertaining court appearance).

Have fun herping and humiliating anyone that tries to enforce this.

One note: I want to stress that I GENERALLY support TPWD in all their efforts, including enforcement. However, this "law of one" (opposed by 100% of the House, but snuck in by HH) deserves to be ruthlessly, blatantly, and creatively opposed. Since the legislature failed us, our only option is oppose it in the field and the courts. I plan on being courteous to all LE while informing them that this law is stupid and impossible to enforce.

Hint: Just because you have a snake in your hand while standing at a road cut, DOES NOT mean that you caught it there. Let them make stupid assumptions. Then, present your proof of legal capture in court.

Warning: Watch out of fake herps. The only effective means for LE to enforce this would be to witness the capture. Entrapping us with live herps is unlikely to work since they will likely crawl away before being seen by herpers (also, if they use live animals we could make a claim of animal abuse and harassment). I will assume that all fake herps are LE traps. Stopping for them is NOT illegal. You can still stop to observe wildlife, real or fake. Just be careful not to "capture" any. Loudly comment about the herp being fake and trash, then do the public a service by removing the litter for proper disposal. Let them try writing a ticket for cleaning up trash from our highways! As long as you don't run around screaming, "snake, catch it," they'll have a hard time proving that your intent was capture and not just beautifying our public roadways.

rpelaez Jun 16, 2007 03:41 PM

Daryl – have you been sent any condolences from Matt Creel, the legislative director for Carl Isett? Seems I recall a few sympathetic emails to you in which he reported that the herp community had Isett’s intentions ALL WRONG, and that Isett even had a son who was a reptile enthusiast and wouldn’t support a bill that would make Little Carl unhappy or something like that. Excuse me…I have to wipe away a tear…sniffle, sniffle. Any further communiqués from Creel? You still have all his emails from the HB2414 fight, right?

R

Eby Jun 16, 2007 03:58 PM

The last emails from him were on 6/4. He said Isett wasn't aware on the riders until after the fact and not much they could do about it now.

He suggested appointing a liaison to TPWD. I replied we've got Troy. He also suggested forming a coalition with land owners for leases. I advised some have such access and others are pursuing it. However, I pointed out the inherent dangers in night time field herping in rugged terrain versus road herping. He did not reply.

I'll give him a call on Monday.

I do still have all of his emails and I tend to believe (call me naive) that he and Isett were NOT behind the rider fiasco.

rpelaez Jun 16, 2007 04:33 PM

I noticed that our side didn’t get any official representation in the form of sympathetic reps and senators to nudge the Governor along during the veto “appeal” process. Is this something that is considered taboo after a bill is sent to the Governor?

R

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