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Found in "Roadside Sanctuary" in TX

SalS Jun 22, 2007 07:29 PM

I'm sure most of you have heard about the new HB12 in Texas banning hunting from roads. One of the reasons given for this law was stated the state needs to protect the roadside wildlife sanctuaries. Well, here is a snake I found in one of those sanctuaries.

For those that don't know, C. horridus is protected in Texas. I was behind the driver who swerved across 2 lanes to hit this snake. You can see the white line just to the left of the snake to get an idea how far he went over.

What makes this really sad is this road was in a state park!

Replies (14)

TimCole Jun 22, 2007 11:33 PM

Did you get a license number? I would have called 911 and stayed on him.
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CrotalusCo Jun 23, 2007 09:49 AM

Yup i would have as well not that it would do any good. Shameful that logic isnt used when creating laws like this its almost always fear based. Wouldnt it have just been better to put down some possession limits to stop the over collecting problems
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TimCole Jun 23, 2007 10:35 AM

What "over collecting problem"? The roadside habitat is miniscule
compared to the amount of privately owned property in Texas.
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joeysgreen Jun 23, 2007 10:59 AM

A bunch of "if's "

If you had time to take the pic proving it was a protected species run over

If you were able to take a picture and/or follow the vehicle

If law enforcement was to pursue this

If you testified that he did this on purpose

If he was found guilty of some offense related to killing this snake with a vehicle

Then this would be a benchmark case, beneficial media coverage, and something to make rednecks think twice.

Ian

TexasReptiles Jun 23, 2007 04:46 PM

"Over collecting" is NOT the problem.
Collecting reptiles from the road has no bearing on wild populations.

Randal

theMAC Jun 24, 2007 06:08 PM

Texas already HAS "limits" and they do no good because there's no enforcement. And after your tax laws, criminal laws, osha regulations, and asking permission to buy cough medicine at the grocery store after 5pm when your kid is up sick when exactly will the 24,000,000 citizens of the state of Texas be learning these laws?
...and how can you limit the population's ability to possess creatures they can't even identify.
Hell, the law should just say "you can have as many snakes, turtles, lizards, frogs or alligators as you can fit in a 5gal bucket....as long as none of them eat horse meat." We'd be no worse off than we are now. Snakes are the only animal people swerve to HIT. So who is doing that environmental impact study?

And which law enforcement agency is going to be patrolling the thousands of back roads in Texas making sure no one is herping?
Who will kick in the doors of the sheds to check for methamphetamines and box turtles? Not the ones checking for bombs at highschools and breaking up domestic disputes, I hope.

I want my wildlife left here in Texas, but let's not pass a bunch of asinine laws based on specious numbers and re-elect-me-conservation-platforms that affect ONLY the people who are obeying the law now.

Thanks to Tim I have reviewed most of these proposed Texas laws this spring and I feel certain that all they will accomplish is making me a criminal when I went out of my way to be law abiding.

BTW: anyone in SW Arkansas, SE Oklahoma or W Louisiana want to buy an adult female ornate cantil? It appears I have to get a permit for her otherwise. Thank you very much Rep Hilderbran, you've made my environment safe from me, the guy who keeps the rednecks from releasing the diamondback's (they caught while driving through West Texas) into east Texas.

-MAC-

TimCole Jun 24, 2007 06:16 PM

Are you sure that's an ornate cantil? Looks like one-o-dem copperheadedrattlemoccasins to me!
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SalS Jun 23, 2007 11:42 AM

He was too far away. I could barely make out car type. I did go to the park office, but no one was there.

NajaAnja Jun 23, 2007 02:14 PM

Yea I probably would have done much worse than Tim mentioned. Nothing peeves me off worse than someone swerving to hit an animal no matter what it is.
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Guttersnacks Jun 23, 2007 08:40 PM

I would have run that asshole off the road
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TimCole Jun 23, 2007 11:04 PM

Believe me, had I seen this happen I would have chased him down and made the news by mt actions!
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HappyHillbilly Jun 25, 2007 12:39 AM

First of all, I think ya'll realize this but just in case, not all rednecks are the same. Just like all yankees ain't the same, or any particular race or nationality.

With that said, this here ol' redneck understands where you're coming from. I'd be hot to trot if I saw it. I was fortunate the other day that the driver of that 4-wheel drive truck straddled the Timber Rattler I managed to save. Its common here in these parts (Tri-state area of TN, NC, GA), too, to see people purposefully runnin' over nearly any snake that's in the road.

Their philosophy is: "Now that thang won't bite nobody." They actually think they're doing the world a favor. At least, the majority of snake killers do. That's why we've got to get through to the kids today, to change things for tomorrow. We're not gonna be able to change very many adult's minds but we can get through to the their kids. And sometimes parents will listen to their kids.

Like I said, I know where ya'll are comin' from, and I didn't take offense to anything. Heck, some of us rednecks and/or hillbillies are dumber than a box of rocks.

Have a good one!
HH
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psilocybe Jun 25, 2007 02:08 AM

Thanks for reminding us not to paint all rednecks with the same brush!

HappyHillbilly Jun 25, 2007 08:14 AM

Hey! Watch it! I think you got some paint on me. LOL!!!
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