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My new field herping equipment

LBenton Jun 23, 2007 07:06 PM

Cannot wait to try it out...

If you are pulled over this just my advice... Do not answer anything except with polite questions

Can I have your name for the recorder?
What have you stopped me for?
Did you observe a violation?
Why do you want to search my vehicle?
Can you explain your PC to search me or my vehicle?
If you find item XXXX would it be illegal to have?
Then why would you look for it if it is not illegal to have?
Am I free to go?
Then what are you charging me with?

Just some examples, and record any interactions with LE and work with us to compile them into a central location. If you cannot record with micro recorder or video mode on a digital camera then write it all down before you call it a night so you can capture every detail.

This law cannot be enforced without some civil rights violations and we will pin them to the wall for any one of them.

Sony ICD-P520 Digital Voice Recorder PC Compatible
Sony ICD-P520 Digital Voice Recorder PC Compatible

Replies (4)

LloydHeilbrunn Jun 23, 2007 11:54 PM

Just a suggestion, you need to check Texas law on recording,if you have not already done so.

In Florida it is illegal to record someone without their consent.....
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Lloyd Heilbrunn

Palm Beach Gardens, Fl.

LBenton Jun 24, 2007 12:01 AM

The first question I will ask is for them to state their name into the recorder...

Not very worried about it after that, even if he says "turn that off" and I say "no" he knows that he is being recorded and has acknowledged it... and what is he going to do, wrestle me to the ground for it, that would be awesome to be assaulted like that.

We need to let these guys know that we will keep them inside the rules, if they have to work outside of the rules to enforce this law then that is their problem, not ours.

I will add, that it is very important to be nice with them at all times, even if they choose not to be. It will win us points down the road if we are the rational side.

Lance

chrish Jun 24, 2007 05:07 PM

>>The first question I will ask is for them to state their name into the recorder...

I think the first thing you should do is show them the recorder and let them know that you will be recording as allowed by Texas Law.

Then begin the conversation....

Also, probably cause is thrown around rather loosely. I'm not sure I would bring the phrase up. If you want to know what the PC is, then refuse to consent to the search. Then if they want to search, it falls on the LEO to demonstrate PC.
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Chris Harrison
San Antonio, Texas

LBenton Jun 24, 2007 01:33 AM

Texas Penal Code § 16.02: So long as a wire, oral or electronic communication — including the radio portion of any cordless telephone call — is not recorded for a criminal or tortious purpose, anyone who is a party to the communication, or who has the consent of a party, can lawfully record the communication and disclose its contents.

Under the statute, consent is not required for the taping of a non-electronic communication uttered by a person who does not have a reasonable expectation of privacy in that communication. See definition of "oral communication," Texas Code Crim. Pro. Art. 18.20.

Unlawful recording of a conversation, or disclosure of its contents with reason to know of the illegal interception, is a felony punishable by two to 20 years in prison and a fine not to exceed $10,000. Texas Penal Code § 12.33. A civil cause of action is expressly authorized for unlawful interception or disclosure. Texas Civ. Prac. & Rem. Code § 123.002. The plaintiff may be entitled to $10,000 for each occurrence, actual damages in excess of $10,000, punitive damages and attorney fees and costs. Texas Civ. Prac. & Rem. Code § 123.004.

The U.S. Court of Appeals in New Orleans (5th Cir.) held in 2000 that a television station and reporter who had been given illegally obtained tapes of telephone conversations, but who had not participated in the illegal recording, could nonetheless be held civilly liable under the federal and Texas wiretapping statutes. Peavy v. WFAA-TV, Inc., 221 F.3d 158 (5th Cir. 2000). The case was appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court along with two other cases raising similar issues. The Supreme Court refused to hear the Texas case but decided in one of the other cases, Bartnicki v. Vopper, that media defendants could not be held liable for publishing information of public concern that was obtained unlawfully by a source where the media were blameless in the illegal interception. Following the Bartnicki decision, the parties in the Peavy case settled out of court.
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