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So, these are my genetic reduced patterns hatching today. The first one pipped yesterday morning (on day 54), and two are out of the egg at this point. Some of you probably remember the story on these guys. Anyway, here are a few pics. The last couple are of the second baby to leave the egg. It's a very good example of my reduced babies. The good ones all have the broken eyestripe and "clown tear" to go along with the other typical reduced pattern characteristics. I know its not as exciting as what The Snake Keeper put up below, but I like 'em. Let me know what you think!

Joe Pociask - My site...

We had a breif discussion on here a few weeks ago about egg teeth in BPs. The general consensus was that BPs do in fact have egg teeth. I'm still not sold. One Poster argued that they must have an egg tooth because of the slashing they put on eggs (as can bee seen in my pics). I have seen egg teeth in the carpets that I've hatched here. However, I have never seen or felt an egg tooth in baby BPs. I paid particularly close attention to this clutch. I felt the noses of these babies right after they slit their eggs. None had a visable or "feelable" egg tooth. If they have them, they drop them almost immediately after slittling the egg. I really think the shape and texture of the nose could be cutting the eggs (I always get a few that seem to poke through rather than slice).

Somebody please show me a picture of a BP with an egg tooth...

don't have a pic, but bps definitely do have an egg tooth. Seen it plenty of times...
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J. Kobylka Reptiles

Warning snakes have been show to cause death in laboratory rats.

It protrudes from the upper lip, right in the middle, right?

Like I said, I always noticed them in my carpets without even looking for them, but I've never noticed one in a BP, even when looking for them (and I hatched quite a few BPs over the years).

That baby is awesome, reduced are one of my favorites. can not wait to see the rest. Congrats.

your looking in the right place. I don't know why you aren't seeing them... hmmmm
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J. Kobylka Reptiles

Warning snakes have been show to cause death in laboratory rats.

Justin, I love the warning at the bottom of your post...I'm still laughing!!
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Dale....dgoins222@yahoo.com
www.LibertyReptiles.com

Thanks!

that came to me a few years back... I've seen ppl use it since but I like to think that it is a jkobylka original.

Justin
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J. Kobylka Reptiles

Warning snakes have been show to cause death in laboratory rats.

all snakes ,lizards,turtles,and birds would just HAVE to have an egg tooth..........and I am the one that said he never saw one......also said I never looked......I forgot to look so far this year too.........guess I have to look........

........I'll try
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so many babies.--so little time....
not to mention space......
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The Ball Python Manual by the Barkers has a photo of a hatchling with an egg tooth.

Congrats on your new clutch! They could make some really nice combo's with other morphs!

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Kyle
www.royalvariations.com

"be safe, be happy and dont let anyone make you afraid" David Coverdale

They do have an egg tooth. I have seen them, and it seems that they fall off very quickly. I HAVE SEEN THEM, definatly not a myth.

Those are sweet Joe. Were both parents reduced?
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Dale....dgoins222@yahoo.com
www.LibertyReptiles.com

Thanks. Yes, both parents look about the same as this baby. They were bought in seperate years from the same source. When bred together, they produce 100% reduced babies (although the "quality" varies just a bit). When the same male was bred to a normal female, I got all completely normal babies with no reduced pattern traits. Until I can breed some of these "hets" in a couple of years, I'm working under the assumption that my line of reduced patterns is simple recessive. With the breeding done so far, I can't see how its anything else. I have another clutch from the same male to a normal female cooking as we speak...

Well I think they are just beautiful! Congrats!

Joe ,
I love them , Very clean and crisp .What do you think of my line ? Mine is recessive at this point. I'm raising up some girls for more information on the genetics .I would love to discuss your line outside the forum .Dad was reduced , produced normals..bred back to dad ,and produced these and 1 other feamle not as extreme but pretty close to it . Enjoy

Rich-OldSkool Creations

Nice! Yours seem very similar to mine. Yours show a bit more of a black back look, while mine tend to be more banded and irregular. I have gotten a few with the black back look as well.

Do you know where your original male came from? E-mail me if you want to talk about this off the forum.