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Breeding

donedeal Jun 30, 2007 05:35 PM

I'm new to this breeding stuff. What are the percentages for breeding a 100% het for albino western male to a normal female?
Could I reasonably expect an albino in their clutch?

Replies (9)

bbox Jun 30, 2007 05:57 PM

None off the offspring would be albino (unless somehow your "normal" was also het for the same trait and you did not know it). The expected outcome would be 50% heterozygous and 50% normal. The problem now comes with determining which are hets. You can not. So, each offspring may or may not be heterozygous for albinism. These are your 50% probability hets that you see offered. I hope this helps.

Bryan Box

donedeal Jun 30, 2007 06:01 PM

So a het for albino has to be bred to an albino or another het for albino to produce an albino off spring?
Is there a chart or something that I can look at to show all this?

herpermike1 Jun 30, 2007 08:37 PM

the whole punnet square thing.

caz223 Jul 02, 2007 08:17 AM

http://www.supersnakes.com/gwiz.htm
http://www.geneticswizard.com/
http://www.pitt.edu/~mcs2/herp/genetics.html
If you breed a normal to an albino, you'd get 100% hets, no albinos, and they would all appear normal.
If you bred a het to a normal, you'd get 1/2 normals, and 1/2 hets. But you can't tell which is which because they all LOOK the same.
If you breed a het to an albino, you'd get 1/2 hets and 1/2 albinos. Except now you can TELL they're het for albino, because they HAVE to be.
This is where it gets wierd, if you breed a het to a het, you'd get 25% albinos, 25% normals, and 50% hets. But since you can't tell which are hets and which are normals, you kinda have to guess. This is where you get 66% possible hets from.

The top 2 links are for genetics wizard proggies, once you do a few punnett squares, you'll realize that you need to know how to get the results, but the genetics wizards are the exact same thing, but with a lot less hair pulling.

donedeal Jul 02, 2007 08:26 AM

Thank You for spelling all this out for me. I'm going to do some homework with these links you gave me. This is pretty cool stuff once you get into it, but before I look into the links, what happens when you breed an albino to an albino? Are all the offsprings albino?

caz223 Jul 02, 2007 09:19 AM

Yup, nothing else is possible. (Provided they are both genetically compatible.
If they were incompatible, you'd have a batch of snakes het for both kinds of albino, but no albinos.
An example of this would be if you bred an albino corn to an albino king. You'd have a normal jungle corn (Heh, there is no normal for a jungle corn!!!!)het for both kinds of albino, but most likely sterile.
Another example would be if you bred an aneryA corn to an aneryB corn. You'd have a normal appearing corn het for both kinds of anery. Or even more messed up, if you bred a snow corn (Amel aneryA) to a blizzard corn (Amel aneryB), you'd get an amel snake het for aneryA AND aneryB. Messed up, huh?

donedeal Jul 03, 2007 03:05 AM

Man my head is spinning LOL! What do you mean when you refer to the 2 types of albinos? If they are compatible?

caz223 Jul 03, 2007 07:17 AM

http://www.corn-snakes.info/albino.php
There's some debate on how the dna morphs happened, but there is almost no debate that most of the color morphs are children of one single snake that had that particular morph that got captured, and selectively bred. Kinda like natural selection, but with fallible humans steering the boat.
For instance, every tangerine honduran you've ever seen was a relative of the first one in same way.
The morph, to be compatible, has to be related to the same snake that originally exhibited the morph in the first place.

There are lots of morphs we do know about, and we've just scratched the surface, having only selectively bred snakes for the pet trade for maybe 50 or 60 years.
Long story short, Both parents have to be related to the original snake that first exhibited the color morph in the first place, for the offspring to have the morph.
How do you know?

Well, you don't.
That's part of the fun.....

donedeal Jul 03, 2007 08:58 AM

Thanks for all the help. You got me excited for the next breeding season. I've got 2 male corns and 4 females for next season. I've got a female western hog who will be three years old next season - just need a mate for her. I got an eastern male hog who will be two next season - just need to get him a mate, so you can see I'm excited about next season. Thanks again for all the help!

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