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A little help what is this

okbow68 Jul 02, 2007 04:55 PM

What is this you guys? I think its a juvenile black rat snake but I am probably all wrong thanks.


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Replies (13)

PHWyvern Jul 02, 2007 05:05 PM

>>What is this you guys? I think its a juvenile black rat snake but I am probably all wrong thanks.
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looks like a black rat to me
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PHWyvern

chrish Jul 02, 2007 11:15 PM

>>What is this you guys? I think its a juvenile black rat snake but I am probably all wrong thanks.
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Chris Harrison
San Antonio, Texas

okbow68 Jul 03, 2007 12:05 PM

Sorry here try this

beladona Jul 03, 2007 12:59 PM

ya its deffinatley a rat snake not sure of sub species but probaly black

skronkykong Jul 03, 2007 04:58 PM

Where are you located? It looks like a Texas Rat.

viborero Jul 03, 2007 05:39 PM

...I can definitely see the lindheimeri influence there.
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Diego

Diego & Tiffany's Zoo:
SNAKES
0.1.0 Boa Constrictor
1.2.0 Corn Snakes (Different morphs)
1.1.0 Hypo Everglades Rat Snakes
1.1.0 Trans-Pecos Rat Snakes
1.1.0 Salt and Pepper Bull Snakes
0.1.0 Amel Pacific Gopher Snake
2.1.0 Sonoran Gopher Snakes
0.1.0 Amel Sonoran Gopher Snake
1.1.0 Mexican Black Kingsnakes
1.0.0 Gray Banded Kingsnake
0.1.1 California Kingsnake
1.1.0 Thayeri Kingsnake
3.2.0 Rosy Boas (Mexican, Temecula, & Mid Baja)
1.1.0 Kenyan Sand Boas
0.1.0 Indonesian Dwarf Pacific Boa
1.1.0 Cape York Spotted Pythons
1.0.0 Ball Python
1.1.0 Western Hognoses
0.0.1 Lyre Snake
0.0.1 Glossy Snake

LIZARDS
2.0.0 Bearded Dragons
0.1.0 Eastern Collared Lizard
1.0.0 African Fat-Tail Gecko
0.1.0 Merauke Blue Tongue Skink
1.4.0 Leopard Geckos
1.0.1 Yellow Niger Uromastyx
1.1.0 Chuckwalla
1.4.0 Banded Gecko
0.0.1 Gold Dust Day Gecko
0.0.5 Sandfish

AMPHIBIANS
1.0.1 Green Tree Frogs
1.0.0 Bubbling Kassina
0.0.1 White's Tree Frog
0.0.2 Gold Frogs
1.0.0 Fire Salamander

okbow68 Jul 03, 2007 11:47 PM

Oklahoma
Me and the boy been looking for a king but this is all we have found

chrish Jul 04, 2007 11:17 AM

>>Oklahoma

That's a Texas Ratsnake then.

And for kingsnakes, try flipping trash and rocks on grassy hillsides. Even small roadcuts with flat rocks can have kingsnakes, although spring is better than summer.
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Chris Harrison
San Antonio, Texas

skronkykong Jul 05, 2007 11:05 AM

Good luck finding kingsnakes. I'm in central Oklahoma and I've only found a handful of kingsnakes in my life. I did come across a large speckled a few months ago though under a pile of old shingles.

There is no shortage of rat snakes though...




MikeinOKC Jul 05, 2007 02:48 PM

Oklahoma here as well. The speckled king range is pretty much statewide, but as noted, they are not nearly as common as rat and bull snakes, or even copperheads in a lot of locales. The other king native to Oklahoma is the prairie king snake, which I think is found mostly in the western half of the state. In all my years of herping here and there I've found one speckled king and two prairie kings. Tin flipping seems to be the best strategy. You might also check the classifieds here, as there are some folks who breed speckled kings.

chrish Jul 05, 2007 11:21 PM

When I was a kid I lived in Tulsa and speckled kings weren't uncommon at all. In fact, I never found a ratsnake when I was out flipping, just kings and one milk!

I haven't herped in OK since (that was 1974-5), but I see photos of kings from people rock flipping in KS. Figured the same would be true for OK.
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Chris Harrison
San Antonio, Texas

MikeinOKC Jul 06, 2007 07:58 AM

Not a scientific poll by any means, but I get the sense that kings are just more common in the eastern, more wooded, part of Oklahoma than in the central and west, with the reverse being true for bull snakes and, to some extent, rat snakes. I would imagine that snakes in general are thicker on the ground in the east where there is more cover and rainfall, which would tend to result in higher king snake populations, sice their diets include other snakes. Just a lot more little copperheads in the eastern Oklahoma woods for a king to munch on.

skronkykong Jul 06, 2007 12:19 PM

Here is an estimate on my herping experiences out of maybe 200 snakes:

The bulk being ringnecks and earth snakes! Lots of garters and ribbons, 2 worm snakes, 5 crayfish snakes, 1 blind snake, lots of brown snakes, lots of rat snakes, lots of nerodia (water snakes), 1 yellow racer, 5 coachwhips, 2 prairie kings, 1 speckled (or desert mix), a few green snakes (one fell out of a tree onto my girlfriend during a river trip!), 1 flatheaded snake, 1 scarlet snake, 3 copperheads, 2 cottonmouths, and I've never even seen a rattlesnake or bullsnake here (other than my own bulls pictured here):


The coachwhip convinced me to put on some gloves.

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