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Hey Frank
I hope you were kidding about that statement.I know you know lacies are not very common in the states You are our only hope in getting babies.If you were to stop hatching albigs would be a big loss to our hobby.Please reconsider.Take some viagra or start juicing.Just stop this nonsense of not producing lacie.LOL
Mike

I have produced over 100 baby lacies, and only one person recently got eggs(a few). No offense, but common on guys, you all want stuff, but you refuse to make the effort.

The person who got eggs, DID MAKE AN EFFORT, he build a building for a few species of monitors. Which included a huge effort for lacies. Now that I respect.

If folks want these things, medium sized monitors and larger, they need to make a little effort to keep them. Larger monitors are very easy to breed, you just have to get it in your head, they cannot live in a shoebox. Even worse, they are no fun in a shoebox. Even worse, a shoebox is torture to monitors. Remember, monitors of all types are active outgoing lizards. They thrive by doing things. They thrive by living, living in groups, interacting with one another, IS WHAT THEY DO. And yes, I could careless what science says, In this area, SCIENCE is stupid and have no idea about these animals. So far, SCIENCE is inept at the understanding of varanids. And many that call themselves science, are inept in the practice of both keeping and studying these animals. Not all, just the vocal ones. SIRS, its in your results, its not science to achieve no results, science is the obtaining of repeatable results. That you do not see this, only means your inept. The defintion of inept is, possessing insufficient ability. These fine folks lack the ability to see results, so they simply say, there are none. hahahahahahahaha a common practice with ineptitude.

Consider, Lacies are not a large monitor, albigs are bigger, niles are bigger, waters are bigger, crocs are bigger. Heck a four foot sav. is larger but not longer then most lacies.

So, tell me why I should continue to produce them??? I think at some point, its no longer my responsibility.

With many species, I produced over that magic number(100) and got rid of them. Other species, I enjoyed to much to get rid of. Lacies are one I really enjoy. So I will have them a while.

Remember, I gave up croc monitors, for lacies. That was a big thing to me, as I really enjoyed croc monitors.

Also, our outdoor sections were totally useless for croc monitors, tooooo hot and toooooooo dry, toooo cold. So while I am crocless, I have enclosed our outdoor sections, greenhouse style and its looking good for Crocs, its humid enough for plants to grow, it has stayed warmer in the winter and cooler in the summer.

So, as soon as I am finished with that, out with some lacies and in with some crocs. Maybe in a year or two. I still have a mister system and some waterproofing to do.

I was joking about the lacies getting old, I do have enough stock to produce a number of Lacies if I had reason too. I will hatch a clutch every now and again, if I feel the need to.

They do keep laying eggs, I just have not dug them up. We have at least two clutches in the ground now. I did make the nesting areas in a few cages, many times bigger in an effort to see if any hatch naturally. That would be a kick. Cheers

That would most definately be a kick if you could get them to hatch naturally!!

Once I get my outdoor projects done and out of the way (converting some old stalls over for monitors) I wouldn't mind getting some lacies.

You to sell them for low (WC bosc) prices, that will never happen.
They are beautiful creatures, I dont think FR will give up on lace monitors.
I think many have this thought that if you produce enough that the prices will fall to make them more affordable by the average keeper. I dont see low prices with that species ever happening, then again the majority of Aussie species range from a few hundred to a few thousand each.
Money to buy them, money and effort to build caging, money and effort to feed them, etc seems to be too much for most keepers, thats the big reason most stick with the cheap imports, after all they dont equate the monetary loss of a cheap priced animal with the monetary loss with an expensive one. Truthfully, if the price didnt matter, I think the bosc and the nile would be two of the rarest monitors in captivity, I dont care what anyone says, the biggest motivator is that $2-$50 price tag, and easy avaiability.

Hey Frank
I keep reptiles as a hobby not a buisness.I work to pay for my habit .I have croc monitors and cummingi and a few others along with snakes.Occasionaly I will sell some baby snakes or make trades to support my habit.I am in florida.So I keep my monitors outside.I am working on another encloser.For another pr of monitors.In my case it is financial lacies are not cheap.But as my collection of boas and balls assorted boids.I am hoping to make enough to get a pr.of lacies.I have emailed you about eggs and took your advice.But most have mold so I don't think they were fertile.cummingi same problem.I am hoping for better results next time.Will try to change up males to see if maybe they didn't get job done.Most likely.It was something i did not provide them and am watching and learning.
I am glad to hear that others are trying and have eggs from lacies.having them hatch is the goal.
I did wonder if you ever had monitors lay and hatch in their enaclosier naturaly.If so will parents eat them.I would be supprised if they don't.I can't think of anything worse seeing my crocs eating newborns I didn't get out in time.
Thanks for your reply
Mike

Please understand this. This is very important. Monitors do not eat their own eggs, and they do not eat their own offspring. Sir, that would be anti-benefitual. If they ate their own offspring, they would go extinct. Considering, they know where they are and have the ability to get to them.

If they do eat their offspring or eggs, that is a sign that something is dramatically wrong, they are insane. Your task as a keeper is to not have them become insane. But instead to be as normal as possible.

ALso, we do not have males or otherwise consume healthy eggs.

Heres the deal, if the eggs are laid on the surface, they are most likely dead and will not hatch, So yes, in this case, they do not waste energy and will consume them, both sexes will.

For some silly reason, our monitors do not mess around anywhere near their eggs or even other females eggs OR even other species eggs. Recently we have golden Greek torts lay eggs in a monitor cage(temporarily held in one for a few days) And the eggs hatched. Now consider, there was four monitors in that cage and they burrowed all around the eggs, but never touched them. How weird?????? There was no way, they did not know they were there, they burrowed every inch of the cage, but where the eggs were.

This has been the same when we leave monitor eggs in their cages.

We have had many instances of eggs hatching in the cages now. All small monitors because they hatch faster. So they can be laid in the spring and hatch by fall. Large monitors eggs have to go over several seasons and that has done them in.

Back to the subject. Again the ugly head of experience raises, we do not see them eating their eggs or offspring. Cheers

Frank I haven't seen them eat their eggs or offspring.Only what I have heard from others . Oh congrats on tortoise eggs.Very cool.But the reason the others have had theirs was due to something lacking in husbandry or diet? Just trying to learn correct info on this.If they laid on top is it because nesting area is not correct? I don't want to ask too many questions I usually just read your post.If I missed your post on this topic in the past sorry to ask again
Mike

happen with Radiated Tortoises and Bolivian Redfoots on my croc farm in Central Fl. I once found 2 baby Radiateds walking around the adult enclosure and several Redfoots. As these eggs take a considerable time to hatch and that it was Central Fl. they went thru some dramatic temp changes. It seems the torts were better at hiding the eggs than I was locating them.TOM

BY THE WAY FR ARE YOU REALLY THAT OLD? I'M GLAD TO STILL BE A CHICK MAGNET OR IS IT MAGGOT?LOL..TOM

Hey Tom
How's those iggy eggs?Any boas yet?
Mike

Lots of boas and 38 out of 39 eggs still good after 35 days incubation. I believe iguana eggs take 85-90 so should have albinos in aug. thanks...TOM

There is a keeper here in the US who is currently incubating Lace Monitor eggs, so perhaps there may be an alternative option to their availability within the country.