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Caught 3 subocs in one night on Black Gap, and they turned out to be a trio! Is this normal? I'm sort of new to herping West Texas and they were my first 3. I really love the male. He has lots of white in his H pattern. Hope to see more in the feuture!

Thanks Alex

>>Caught 3 subocs in one night on Black Gap, and they turned out to be a trio! Is this normal? I'm sort of new to herping West Texas and they were my first 3. I really love the male. He has lots of white in his H pattern. Hope to see more in the feuture!
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I got two males at the Gap earlier this year (before the HB 12 stuff), and my friend Mike Price traded a male (that he needed) for a female. So it all worked out. One of my favorite locales. A very classic look in a suboc. Crisp dark pattern with straw-yellow bodies.

DR
Suboc.com

Your first subocs and three to boot!........My condolences, as now you will be hooked to the siren's call of the Gap. I got my first suboc on Black Gap. I was walking back to my truck after scooting a small atrox off the road and casually shining my flashlight on the side of the road. Oh my!......a 5 and 1/2 bogey out on the prowl. Nothing beats finding a fine specimen while walking in the desert at night with a light.

Black Gap is a great place..........a lot of variety in herps can be found there. Besides that big suboc, I pulled up on a Blacktail rattler that was a bit over 4 ft. I'd love to see that WMA opened up to herpers. You would then be able to wander around all night with your light, and then meet up at the headquarters building to compare notes with your peers. Someone needs to make that happen!

I heard if you stay at Andy's place he will let you hike his property. It's located down at the very end of the paved road. I believe he's got two or three rooms. I looked at them once though and they were pretty shabby and no air conditioning.

I got two on each ot two different nights earlier this season in the Gap, including a much-needed female. Here she is.

Brad Chambers

These are all Gap animals. Used to be my favorite strech of road. Now I just hunt bugs.

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"Life without risk is to merely exist."

Thanks for posting all the pics, there all so beutiful and cute! I was going to post a pic of one of my black gaps but it didnt work. Also, Do you guys ever see blondes between Terlingua and Lajitas? How comman are they?

Thanks Alot
Alex

>>Also, Do you guys ever see blondes between Terlingua and Lajitas? >>How comman are they?

Not very. Mike Price, who I mentioned earlier, has found hundreds of subocs (more than two or three humdred), and only three have been blondes. Now, that bigger number includes all the ones he has seen at all locales, but I know he has seen quite a number of them on the River Road where blondes are found.

I know that Earl Turner has randomly caught normals from between those two locales, bred them, and found that they were unknown hets. I imagine that somewhere in the vicinity of 1 in 25 are blondes (that's just a random guess, however), and the odds might even be greater/better than that. I do have some reason to believe they're no less than that.

In my upcoming suboc book, I've got some photos of some rare localities of blondes in there, such as Christmas Mountains and West of the Big Hill, what's weird (and really cool) is that both locales are green(!!) (and not "greenish" or "kinda green", but green) even though they are many miles apart and separated by the more common yellow/tan locales of Terlingua/Lajitas/Pepper's Hill blondes.

DR
Suboc.com

Cool! Thanks for the info. I hope that maybe one day I will find a blonde or something else cool! Also I am going to the San Angelo Nature Center some time this month to get a behind the scenes tour by Mike. Cant wait to see what its like! I also cant wait to see your new book!!! I will probably read all of it in the first day its recieved.

Thanks Again!

Alex

>>Cool! Thanks for the info. I hope that maybe one day I will find a blonde or something else cool! Also I am going to the San Angelo Nature Center some time this month to get a behind the scenes tour by Mike. Cant wait to see what its like! I also cant wait to see your new book!!! I will probably read all of it in the first day its recieved.
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Alex, is your last name Dietrick?

DR

No, why? I met mike price at the San Antonio Reptile expo, and I have bought a couple of subocs from him.

>>No, why? I met mike price at the San Antonio Reptile expo, and I have bought a couple of subocs from him.

Oh ok...I ran into A. Dietrick while I was in West Texas on the RR a few weeks ago. Thought you might've been him.

So, what locales did you get from Mike?

Well only 2 at the moment. A female Lajitas blonde and a normal south of Odessa (I dont no where exactly he was referring to but I needed the male). When his eggs hatch this year i will get a male Lajitas and maybe a pair of Terlingua if he has them.

I also have a pair of Peppers Hill that I purchased from Rick Green.

Alex