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There are 20 of them that are ours. Someone asked why import them? For the new genetics, they are unrelated to any dragons in the United States. 9 of them are for a research project I want to do and only dragons unrelated to anything in the US can be used.

Most the others will be placed with breeders in 1-2 months, hopefully to strengthen the gene pool in their lines. When I am done with the research project, those also will be placed but for two I will keep.

I just checked them and they are all doing good and eating their morning salad. I will keep all of them at least a month to make sure there are no problems from shipping and they are eating and growing well.

They came from Germany, they are F1 offspring from parents imported to Germany, they are not German Giants. I think we had only told 4 individuals and one large breeder about them, those we planned on offering one too, and all of those only after the babies had hatched and we were sure we had them promised to us and their date of arrival. So many things could have gone wrong, and a few did, especially the transit time...... if I do this again, we will make some changes in how they arrive here and NOT use the same exporter again.

Lots of little mouths to feed, most have eat salads, pellets or crickets and all are drinking good, lol they fight to get at the eyedropper with diluted pedialite.

Hope that answers all the questions!

Why is it that the germans are always getting the smuggled animals? Be it reptiles or tropical fish, they always seem to be coming from Germany. Well a little new blood is a good thing in this gene pool, good luck withe new additions.

Both the parents and the babies were brought into both countries through customs and legally

I did not mean that yours were smuggled, if yours are f1 offspring that would mean that the parents are f0 or wild caught, unless I am mistaken I do not think that there is a legal way to catch and export a wild bearded from australia.

there are exceptions to that regulation, for educational and exchange purposes with zoo's, universities and research.

As for your question about why Germany gets so many things, outside of Australia, it is recognized as the next leading country for herpetology and studies in that field.... smuggling has nothing to do with it.

For fish, I don't know, not an interest of mine, but for reptiles they are second only to Australia in education, knowledge and where anyone wanting to study them look.

I was not aware that there were any exeptions, and had not heard of any exports from down under as far as herps go. It has been a while since I kept and bred reptiles, but I do remember that back then the germans were always coming up with f1 stock from f0 parents when no records of export could be found for the particular species, either way they are not cities listed so noone pays much attention to what comes out of Germany unless it is on the list.

>>As for your question about why Germany gets so many things, outside of Australia, it is recognized as the next leading country for herpetology and studies in that field.... smuggling has nothing to do with it.

Germany has pioneered a number of rare or difficult captive breedings in herpetoculture. Their tendency to use larger, more naturalistic enclosures may explain that success in part. Germany, (along with the U.S) is however recognized as one of the major markets for smuggled Australian reptiles according to a report by the Australian Institute of Criminology.

T.B

At least in the aquarium area, the Germans spare no expense when it comes to housing their creatures, I would imagine that the same is true in the purchase of livestock. I would think that a f0 bearded would bring several thousand dollars.

Hi
germany is very close by me 300 kilometer.
here there only excist normal fase beardies.
i have them from a duthmen who life in spain and have importert them from sandfire ranch and dragon den.
so the babies i have r more yankee then european
i have however changed one female beardie for 10 babies she looked orange and i think she is not from usa i have here togheter with mellow yellow hope she wil mate.
am curoius and looking forwards to see the pics
byeeeee