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Here's a shot of my female hypo Glades at 2 years old.
She's from Andy Barr's line of hypos and to me at least, looks different than other hypo glades I've seen....

I saw a photo of the parents and they looked like super bright normal glades with graphite colored stripes - sort of like the black on hypo Honduran milks...

Even as a hatchling, my pair was darker - considerably, than other hypos.

Does anyone here work with Andy Barr's stock???

Maybe it's just me....

byron.d

Nice!! I like them. They are definitely different looking than my stock line from the Loves but I like the look. Looks like it would be worth the time to try a cross between the two lines. Can you email me some contact info on him?? I have some outcrossed lines that I am thinking of adding into mine but I am not really happy with how the adults look that I have picked up.

Basically looks like somebody just grabbed a big WC yellow rat or WC "Glades" female and bred it with a hypo male and then back crossed. All the animals I have seen have a look that I just do not like. Here is my big male a couple years back crushing my hand like he always seems to do.

Jason

Jason,

Will you be producing any hypo glades this year? You seem to be one of the few people on the planet that produces them. I've seen yours and they are smokin.

These two dropped a clutch of 16 perfect eggs that will be ready in early Sep. The real prize, though, is my clutch of 12 amel Glades eggs. They bred early last year and produced a small clutch. The one hatchling was born the color of a Snow Corn Snake. I'm really tapping my toes waiting on that clutch.

Here is a pic of the amel father that I have posted before.

Hi Mark. Those are looking good man!! Do you have an updated pic of that male?? Wait are you even back in the country??

I ended up getting 21 eggs from my hypo female after thinking that she wasn't going to lay at all. The last couple years she laid right before my normal glades female but this year she hadn't even ovulated when my normal went into her prelay shed. I fed her 3 times over 12 days while on high heat with her taking a total of 12-15 mice and she gave me this clutch and looks great post lay.

I think we need to trade off some babies this year or I need to buy some straight from you to see if the two lines are the same and we are just calling them different things or if they are truly different. I saw your wife placing adds last fall at a really good price but I just didn't have things in place on my end at the time. These are Lincoln stock right??

Jason

Marcia Lincoln stock on that male. The pair aren't as certain. The guy who sold them wasn't sure of the originating line but "thought" he was told they were from Marcia.
I'd be happy to trade off babies with you. Just let me know when things get closer.
You're right, I am still overseas but I get back in country in early September. I might be able to get my daughter to take a current pic of that male but I have the good "macro" camera over here. Want a teaser? Send me your personal email and I'll forward a pic of last year's baby from that father.
I'm shocked at the size of clutches you can get from some of these mature Glades. 21 eggs is one dang huge loss! She must be a big animal. My normal female (from Dwight Good)is over 5.5 feet and last year she laid 22. I didn't breed her this year, though.
Come back out our way next year. Your timing was just off last year.

Well they are tiny eggs. But yeah 21 is pretty good. I am not sure what it was last year but it was up there and she laid a second clutch of all slugs, like 14 maybe?? I am hoping she doesn't do that again this year. I don't want a second clutch good or bad out of her. I just want her to save the energy. I saw your mention of somebody having green rats at the NARBC, give me his name too along with the picture you send.

SnakesUnlimited at sbcglobal (dot) net

Get back safe (but from what I remember you are out of harms way anyway)

Jason

Thanks for the compliment but it is really the Loves that did all the work with these, I just put them together. I do have eggs cooking but I have had bad luck taking pre-orders with these. I have managed to take herping trips the last two years during incubation only to come home to eggs that have been over heated and killed or kinked. This year I am not planning any trips but now I am paranoid and I don't want to leave anymore customers with a bad taste in their mouths because I can't fill an order. Last year I had one good hypo when all was said and done out of about 20 eggs.

So yes I should have them this year but I am not going to take any pre-orders or start any list. Then add in that I am actually gonna be home to watch temps instead of in Arizona or Texas and I might actually have good babies this year!! When I get good hatchlings sorted out I will put a post up on here for the forum regulars to get a jump on the classified browsers. I would rather sell to forum goers so I get to see pics as they grow!! (hint)

Jason

Thanks, I will keep a closeful eye on the classifieds.

while we are on the subject of hypo everglades I would like everyone's opinion on this guy.
He belongs to Zach (aka snake master).
We have discussed the possibility that it may be hypo but never really have gone beyond discussion.

So what do you think?

The first pic was when it was about a year and a half and the second pic more recent.

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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"Resistance is futile"
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Draybars Snakes

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It's hard to tell because it looks different in both pics. It's definitely got some good and interesting color. I've seen a few Glades with those reddish tones like the second shot. I like it. I don't think I would, personally, call it hypo though. It looks like it still has the underlying melanin "wash" over the main body. That is what keeps the ground color from being more vivid. On the other hand, the actual designation of Hypomelanistic or reduced melanin is pretty subjective. Based on those shots, I would call it a very nice normal. Very nice snake. I'd like to see more pictures. Here is a shot of my normal female. Notice that she has good ground color but still maintains strong striping.

I would agree with Mark and say normal as well. More pictures would be helpful as well as breeding it into known lines.

My normal girl and a hypo yearling

Jason

Thanks guys

I will have to get Zach to get some new pictures of him.
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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"Resistance is futile"
Jimmy Johnson
(Draybar)
Draybars Snakes

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