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Caught in Horry County on Golf Course by a friend who is a greens keeper there. It was caught after coming off the fair way and heading into the woods. It is NOT an escaped pet. We are suprised as anyone that he made it to adulthood. He came from prime greenish habitat.

The snakes coloration is hard to capture and even harder to comprehend unless seen in person. It is pastel yellow and pink with gold eyes, no other coloration present. He is about 36" long and not teribly aggressive for a rat snake.

He has since captured several adult females from within 100' of where the male was taken. Obviously he plans to breed it to the local specific females and see what happens.

Anyway, thought everyone would like to see the new snake. I think this is a new morph to the greenish (this is not an yellow rat or black rat breed into it, this morph is true to the natural cross)

Enjoy!!

dc

Nice huh?

Not a great photo, but you get the idea.

BTW, a firend asked if that was Cedar Bedding, although it looks like it in this photo, it is not, it is aspen.

Here's a new photo taken yesterday.

One more....Close-up of eye

sweeeet !!!!!!!!

Perform until end-of-life
I want that snake
I need that snake
I'll have that snake
Oh yes I will
End-perform

According to the 'Law of Attraction', all I have to do now is sit and wait.

thanks herman,now all I have to do is perform that mantra better and more often than you
Bear

Can we get a full body shot ?...I think this one is going to be a hard sell buddy ..From baby to adult with lil to no pigmentation ..

what's the chances this guy making it to adulthood while ducking raptors, foxes, racoons and other snakes at the same time glowing like a light until now ?
slime to none I would think

I can accept this snake more if he was produce by a hobbyist

Good luck on your friend's find !!!!!!!!!!!
Just my input

If I did not know the whole story, then I would tend to agree with you and probably be skeptical also, BUT, I do know the story and it is not a man made production.

See, here is my problem and why I quit posting years ago on the other forums. I am just sharing the animal with you, if you don't "accept" it, then I really don't care. I am not a real good people person and I understand that, so....that said, here are my thoughts and some more info. Maybe you didn't mean anything by it, but I really don't like being called "buddy" by someone whom I do not know, especially when presented in the tone it was. Again, maybe I am misreading your tone and if so, please forgive me. Now, on to your concerns...

I can get you a body shot, probably this Wednesday. Try to post it on Thursday for you to look at if you want.

"what's the chances this guy making it to adulthood while ducking raptors, foxes, racoons and other snakes at the same time glowing like a light until now?"

As I stated in the original post, I had the same thoughts as you and that the odds were against him, but apparently it doesn't matter to him what odds you and I placed on him, he made it huh?

"I can accept this snake more if he was produce by a hobbyist"

We already addressed that. I assure you, he was not produced by Jim and I am almost certain that he is not man made. If he was, don't you think the morph would have been seen by now, odds are know one produced one and it escaped, lived and then got caught, but hey, it could happen I guess.

"Good luck on your friend's find !!!!!!!!!!!"

Thanks and I will pass that on to Jim. I am not sure how anyone legitimizes a find like this unless the concerned parties are with you at the time of the find. I can tell you that I was asked by a very well know breeder of corns to go look at this thing and see what I thought. I am almost certain that if he had posted this, very few if anyone would have questioned it; it would be accepted as true with little proof required.

The simple fact is you either accept it or you don't. I know and believe because I have seen it and seen the location taken from. Sure none of this helped, but at any rate, it is my response.

I believe it to be a great find and at the very least quite interesting morph wise. I also am not a people person, but if some anomalies that are not exactly considered suitable to survival in the "wild" did not somehow not only survive but actually end up reproducing such genes would have disappeared as quickly as they arose. With that being said I do not find it even remotely impossible your friend has stumbled onto a new morph from the actual wild. So please post more pictures as they become available to you and not let rude people push you back underground.

I remember your name from the "pituophis" department from way back, well I think so anyway's.

regardless, thanks for the interesting post.
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

Keep the posts and photos coming! There has to have been a few 'glowing' amelanistic and hypo adult snakes in the wild, for those to be such common captive traits now.

-Toby

Don't forget that there is or was a fairly large, protected, population of amelanistic Elaphe climacophora near Iwakuni, Japan! I don't know how 'natural' the population is, but it is worth noting that albino snakes can and do survive to adulthood in the wild.

-Toby

I for one see no reason to doubt what you are saying. Albino's and other such recessive mutants of countless species and subspecies have been spotted in the wild before, so why put doubts on a hypo Greenish Ratsnake?

Very nice looking snake, BTW. I hope it becomes an established morph some day.

Camby
I wasn't trying to be a a$$ ...I just can't see a 36" amel looking snake making it this long in the wild

Most rat snake morphs that we know of were caught and/or hatched out of wc adults has neonates[licorice, rusty, amel and hypo everglades etc] not a 3 foot near all white adult male rat snake.

Back in the early 90's a pet store here in MD was selling amel greenish rats aka Bannana greenish rats... where are they now ?

There's no beef here buddy... lol just joking camby

I did check out your posts in the pit forum

Just my reply

Well i don't get why people have a hard time believing that a albino or hypo can survive??? There are a ton of hypo corn locales in Florida. There are more than a few cb albinos in the wild that do fine. I had a albino corn escape from my sisters place during the hurricanes the year before Katrina and she still sees it now and again. It was a CB animal and those don't survive by common belief, and it is albino, again a death sentence in the wild. Almost 3 years later it is doing fine and if it shows when I am back down there I will grab it and take it home.

The idea that a whole population will go albino is not reasonable but that a few animals can and do survive is not that unreasonable. How else would the gene make it on for us to find?? Het to het to het breedings?? Doubt it. There are also some really bright colored locale of Rattlesnakes and corns that don't seem to fit into nature and lets not forget milksnakes. Gray banded Kings??? Some of the nicer ones found just scream look over here!!!!

Here is a hint, most of these animals are nocturnal or crepuscular. Red, orange, black and gray just don't show up well at night or in low light. Then there are the screaming red coachwhips??? How the hell do those blend in with anything??? Day active and bright red are not a good combo. No I don't think that animals genetics will every be a dominate form in that area but it could be a WC.

All that said I have a "hypo glades" that I got from someone that looks nothing like what I expected but does look really close to that.

Well finally my font has come back to kingsnake. I was in mid post and I hit something and my font got all weird.

Anyway the snake I have is similar but not the same. I will get a pic up when I find my camera upload cable. It is a more orange ground colored example of that animal.

Jason

and some good points by Jason - especially the one about the visibility of red tones in low light. Not every interesting snake is an escaped pet.
Help him breed it with a high quality Yellow and let's see what the next few years bring. Congrats to your Pal.

Hey Buddy [just being friendly]
Hypo corns are well documented... how about this "super hypo greenish ratsnake"

How would you take it if a guy catch that amel corn near your sis house and post it on KS saying that he has a new wc bloodline amel corn from the same county your sis live in... Did you mention "ESCAPE" ?

Those hypo glades you have came from bill love who produce them from a pair of WC glades..again the first hypo glades was a "baby"

There's alot of clowns in this circus

I don't have any hypo glades snakes, whatever they may be. I also don't have a 'sis living anywhere near me who has a hypo corn snake. Do you think that you know me? If so you are badly mistaken.

I was replying to snakeunlimited1 ..You need to read his post first ...can we get a full body shot ?

I am going to get some more and better photos hopefully by this afternoon. I caught this snake a little over a year ago in a very remote area. It was on the golf course where I work, but the course is carved through dense woods and wetlands in the Lowcountry of SC. There are no homes within three or four miles of where I caught him. I have no intentions of selling the snake, but I am interested in breeding it. This is something I will have to do with some assistance as I have never bred any snakes. I have been capturing, keeping as pets, and enjoying snakes for over forty years and have never seen anything like this in the wild. I find it very hard to conceive that this animal is either an escaped pet or the descendant of the same. Please read my response to MurphsLaw.

Sorry I replied in error.

Jim

Awesome find!--I'm jealous!

I read that some founding lines of albino retics were captured as the snakes were nearing adulthood, and while skeptics are (rightfully) skeptical, someone doubting origin/survivability doesn't make those things untrue.

I'd LOVE to see more shots of that snake--I have a WC albino yellow from just south of Lake Okeechobee (see pic), and eggs incubating from a cross between him and a white-sided female yellow.

Hey Buddy [just being friendly]
Hypo corns are well documented... how about this "super hypo greenish ratsnake"

There's alot of clowns in this circus

Hi Buddy
If someone posted the albino corn from my sisters house I am sure they would say it is a escaped pet because it looks like every other one out there and is in the middle of a developed area. This guys snake supposedly came from a remote area and doesn't look much like anything I have seen except for one of my "hypo glades" from a source other than the Love line, good assumption though. Yes most of my glades came from the Love line which came from oversees from what I have been told (France?). But the one I am referring to is from a different line that looks very different.

The point you missed is that albinos do show up from time to time. In fact 2 notable albinos have been found this year. One by Jeff Lemm (a albino glossy snake) and one by someone over on the bull pine gopher forum. Both were not questioned by anyone but this animal is... by you, the friendly buddy guy.

I get why you are saying it is suspect, it looks like a hypo glades/yellow rat bred to a black rat and back crossed. Basically a bubble gum minus the albino. A couple back crosses and you have a snake you can sell for what... $100-150 a piece or maybe $400-500, who cares. He is calling it a greenish rat which doesn't sell for much anyway and if it was a manmade variety or WC it would go for about the same. The only shot at big money is selling it to a bigger breeder who can market it better and then the breeder gets the money. So what exactly is the angle??

Also if it was a man made animal it would have likely shown up in the "7x het yellow rat" crosses that somebody else was selling as pure yellow. There you had gray rat, albino, yellow rat, hypo, some other crap... maybe another sub...lol... and nothing showed there. So it is not that likely.

I say breed it!! Then lets see. If it is the same as the existing hypo line then it is less interesting. Same with the albino line. Hopefully it is a male. That would make things easier. I had a weird WC corn cross found in south Florida that I bred a few years back and it threw albino and hypo when bred to a albino, who was apparently caring the same hypo gene. That told me pretty quickly that it was a release. Same can be said here. Breed it and see what happens. If it is a male then it will be pretty easy to eliminate a few possibilities at once. Yeah it may be a man made released pet but it might not be. It is not exactly the next big thing that will sell for big money. It is a snake that will sell for about the same if it was a new morph or a cross of existing lines. I don't see a reason to lie here or to jump on the guy who is showing off a cool snake. Relax this is a fun hobby, or at least it is supposed to be.

Jason

Here is my "next big thing" that went bust pretty quick

Hey Jason
Nice looking corn ..what happen w/ her ...are those blotches reddish ?
You made some good points ....I still believe it's a release/ escapee

After breeding,collecting and selling [not much] blk rats/ morphs for most of the last 15 yrs.

I can't believe that guy made it this long in the wild....Now if I found him as a neonate I would have piss on myself while running to my car lol

If anyone post a snake/ animal on any board you have to expect some critizism

I breed her twice and got similar results both times. Half morph half hets. The morphs were about equal hypo and albino but some looked to be "hybino" to me. In any case I gave all the babies away as extras in pre-order sales and then sold off the female to a corn breeder. Everybody that got one was given full history (which isn't much, caught in Deerfield Fl area) and the belief that it was a yellow/red cross man made release. The colors are pretty accurate in the pic. She was a great feeder and breeder but I just don't like the cross or hybrids. The lady I sold her too last year got a nice big second clutch from her with the same variety of phenotypes.

As far as the albino making it in the wild idea. I think it is a misconception that albinos can't make it. There is the asian rat that is found in high density as albino. Also there are some rattlesnakes that are bone white on the ground color with black speckels. There are many albinos found every year. There was at least 10-12 found last year that I saw on another forum but most were non-market animals like ringnecks and earthsnakes. I become very suspicious when there is to much to be gained and existing morphs that look the same in other snakes that are close enough to lend genes. This snake just doesn't set off any bells. It may be man made...

Jason

After reading Jim's post one thing is clearer he caught the snake as a juvinile.......not a 3 footer

I think that's were the misunderstanding occured.

Oh yeah amel and other natural morphs are discovered every yr most as neonates or juviniles.

>>Hey Jason
>>Nice looking corn ..what happen w/ her ...are those blotches reddish ?
>>You made some good points ....I still believe it's a release/ escapee
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>>After breeding,collecting and selling [not much] blk rats/ morphs for most of the last 15 yrs.
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>> I can't believe that guy made it this long in the wild....Now if I found him as a neonate I would have piss on myself while running to my car lol
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>>If anyone post a snake/ animal on any board you have to expect some critizism
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The pics look altered also.Why does aspen look like cedar chips?Why do all the background colors look wrong?No one else questions that?My last post calling it a hybrid was deleted.Why cant I disagree with someone here?Im going to go adobe my russian rat pink and green and then swear it's for real and I found it in my backyard.And then brood when someone calls me out.Then ˜ of the forum can say it was a great find.
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If lead paint is so deadly why do they make it so delicious?

>>>>Hey Jason
>>>>Nice looking corn ..what happen w/ her ...are those blotches reddish ?
>>>>You made some good points ....I still believe it's a release/ escapee
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>>>>After breeding,collecting and selling [not much] blk rats/ morphs for most of the last 15 yrs.
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>>>> I can't believe that guy made it this long in the wild....Now if I found him as a neonate I would have piss on myself while running to my car lol
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>>>>If anyone post a snake/ animal on any board you have to expect some critizism
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>> The pics look altered also.Why does aspen look like cedar chips?Why do all the background colors look wrong?No one else questions that?My last post calling it a hybrid was deleted.Why cant I disagree with someone here?Im going to go adobe my russian rat pink and green and then swear it's for real and I found it in my backyard.And then brood when someone calls me out.Then ˜ of the forum can say it was a great find.
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>>If lead paint is so deadly why do they make it so delicious?
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Last sentence should have read.Then 98 % of the forum can say it was a great find.
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If lead paint is so deadly why do they make it so delicious?

True ...critizism is healthy

Truth is, I am a sh^&%ty photographer, ask any number of my friends, they will confirm it. It was in an aquarium with very dim lighting and in the evening so very little natural light came in the house.

Again, I am a crappy pic taker. I will see if I can get Jim to take it by Olan Mills or some other profesional studio and snap some good ones and then maybe that will stastisfy everyone, lol. Seriously, my pics were not altered, just resized and uploaded, that is it. Look at the new pics that were taken outside, they are closer to what the snake looks like in person.

dc

You are giving me way too much credit. I found an unusual snake. I hope to breed its traits into another snake one day...something I have never attempted to do. The newer pics I posted are on my yard with natural sunlight. I don't know how to alter a picture other than cropping. My offer to submit to a polygraph still stands. One person asked me why I didn't post info about the snake for an entire year after finding it. It's simple. It took me that long to transpost a regular greenish rat snake to a planet inside another solar system where genetic alterations are done as easily as changing aspen to cedar. LOL Folks, this snake is just as it appears in my most recent pics posted 7-11. I have more, but they are large files. I will gladly e-mail them to anyone who wishes to see them. Meanwhile I'll be working on my newest project; a greenish rat snake that looks like Tiger Woods. Nike has offered me a fortune!

>>You are giving me way too much credit. I found an unusual snake. I hope to breed its traits into another snake one day...something I have never attempted to do. The newer pics I posted are on my yard with natural sunlight. I don't know how to alter a picture other than cropping. My offer to submit to a polygraph still stands. One person asked me why I didn't post info about the snake for an entire year after finding it. It's simple. It took me that long to transpost a regular greenish rat snake to a planet inside another solar system where genetic alterations are done as easily as changing aspen to cedar. LOL Folks, this snake is just as it appears in my most recent pics posted 7-11. I have more, but they are large files. I will gladly e-mail them to anyone who wishes to see them. Meanwhile I'll be working on my newest project; a greenish rat snake that looks like Tiger Woods. Nike has offered me a fortune!

Microsoft has a free picture tool that will resize any pic.So you have had it for a year?What is it?Scale counts?Male/female?
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If lead paint is so deadly why do they make it so delicious?

I have Kodak Imaging, but for some reason I cannot open my JPEGS with it. The program freezes up. I have HP software that came with the camera, but all it will do is crop. I'm still working on this. Any ideas? The snake is a male. I had him probed by a local vet who works with reptiles. I haven't counted any scales. What part of the snake should I look at to do this?

The odd thing is that the sun has not afected your animal. My hunch though, as someone who uses outdoor enclosures, is that the pretty pink you see will infact become white without natural light as I have put Lucistic outside only to find they were glowing pink within a few days. You surly have something very special in that the animal endured wild conditions and survived to adulthood. Please post some pictures after a few shed cycles in captivity I am almost certain the pink on your specimen is caused by sun pigment on an otherwise white surface.
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"Life without risk is to merely exist."

This snake has been in captivity for a little over a year. It has grown considerably as I have kept him well fed. He has shed three or four times and has been kept under artificial lighting which is rather dim. Over time the pink tones have actually become more defined. I have some older photos of him which I will post as soon as I can get them uploaded.

Jim

now this make sense I can see your snake picking up a foot plus in a yr...so now your snake is more or less a juvnile when caught.

Where did the "super hypo" tag come from ?

Why wait for over a yr to post ?

I don't want to rain on your parade...Like I said before there alot of clowns in this circus
Keep us posted
check out the odd ball

>>check out the odd ball

So what ever happened to that snake? Do you still have it?

dg

Nope I sold her shortly after she toke her first meal .....I got an offer that I couldn't refused.lol

How big is this blk rat nice pic?
How have you been ?

Take a jewlers loop (magnifying glass) and look into the pupil. The reason is that in albino whitewater rosy boa the iris is gold and in adults the pupil looks black but is red under magnification. I think you have what is known as a goldeneye albino.
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"Life without risk is to merely exist."

Thanksd for the above, it is a very cool snake. I will try the jewelers loop. Jim isn't a snake breeder, he has 1 eastern king, 1 wc corn and 1 amel corn from South Mountain prior to this find. He know has 3 other females (Greenish rats). Not putting him down, the thing is he wouldn't have had a clue on how to produce this animal.

As far as colors, just because I have seen it in a dimmly lit room in his house where the snake is kept and because I have seen it out side in good natural light, it truly is pink and yellow. Possibly as it ages, it may gain whites, but right now he is staying yellow and pink. Thanks again

Camby,

I think that you are right about it being a snake from the wild. If someone were breeding Yellows that looked like that, we would have seen photos of that morph by now.

On the other hand, I think you can see why someone else might dismiss it as an escaped pet because of its fair coloring. That was one lucky snake to look like that and live so long. I am sure the poster wasn't in any way trying to offend you or accuse you of perpetrating a hoax. As I said before, I am of the opinion that you may be right about your friend's find being something that nature produced.

Thanks for the post.

See, unfit animals can make it just messing with ya...
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-David Harrison-
.1 Snow Corn "Hope"
1. Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Chunk" (Goonies)
.1 Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Peaches"
.1 Ball Python "Rocky Ballboa" (Didn't name her!)

"Have you ever tried simply turning off the T.V., sitting down with your kids... and hitting them?"

LOL ... Yea, for every rule, there are exceptions. If I remember, that first leucistic Texas Rat that they found in the wild was an adult also. That was an even luckier snake. But back on topic, I have never seen stripes that color. Good photos and a wonderful find.

I tried the magnifying glass, but all that I can see in the pupil is black under both bright and very dim lighting.

That thing is absolutily smoking! Definatily keep us updated on this guy.

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3.1 Corn (Anery Stripe-Ripple '06/Amber-Jack Straw '06/Snow-Casey Jones '06/Amel Motley-Cosmo '03)
0.1 Baird's Ratsnake (Sugaree '04)
1.0 White Oaks Grey Rat (Tennesse Jed '04)
0.1 IJ Carpet Python (Cassidy '04)
1.0 Western Hognose (Samson '05)
1.1 Shepherd mix (Dylan 8yrs, Porter 3yrs)

Very interesting to say the least.And we all have to remember that most morphs come from something that someone finds in the wild.They don't all just pop out of an incubator.Keep us posted on the progress.
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"Upon Thy Belly Thou Shalt Go"

Very cool!
Just from the pic, I'd guess it's an albino!
Lots of albino snakes make it to adulthood in the wild - They are secretive by nature & just don't get picked off like some animals.
The original albino rosy was caught as an adult.
Can't wait to see better pics of it.
Congrats!
Max
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"How the hell do you find a Heloderma in a snowstorm?"

If you get more pics take them outside with the camera set for full sun or in auto. From the looks of it your camera skills are about as bad as mine No offense. LOL

It is the color of the background that is making me think that the colors are off and a little too red. I have that problem all the time and I have to call up a buddy to ask what setting to change. I don't know why but it just doesn't sink in. Anyway I find full sun or in the shade with bright sun works best for me to get the true colors of the animal. Plus we all know what color grass is so if it is off like the bedding we can adjust our mental picture to "fix" it.

By the way I am not saying anything crafty was done, I would just like a truer colored pic of the animal. Neat snake. I'll give you $50 for it .

Jason

>>everyone has said just about everything there is to say about this snake I just thought I would add my 2 cents

If this snake is man made why has no one ever seen one like it?
To have been an escaped captive bred animal the odds are definitely in favor of whoever produced it to have produced more then one and to have told or shown someone, somehwere.
Not to mention the simple fact that just about every cross you can think of has been done by a lot more then one person.
If that was a man made morph someone else would have produced the same by now.
There are quite a few "new" morphs that have popped up in different collections at approximately the same time without information or breeding plans being shared.
So, until anyone here can show me another example of that "morph" I have to believe it to be what we were told.
A damn cool wild speciman that has been living in captivity for a year now. This also ties into the speculation that an albino like that would have a difficult time surviving long enough to grow that size in the wild. It didn't. It grew for the last year in captivity.

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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"Resistance is futile"
Jimmy Johnson
(Draybar)
Draybars Snakes

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I didn't have time to read all the posts on this thread, but I'd like to address some of the things that I read.

Last year, Jim contacted me, all excited about a snake he had just caught that he called an albino rat snake. He knew from the dual markings that it was a greenish rat, since that's about the only rats they see in that densely populated greenish rat intergrade zone. Of course, we all know that albino of the metamorphic species usually display both the juvenile AND adult patterns. Regardless, his call was like one from a kid that just found an uncut diamond in his back yard. When I asked what color the eyes were and he responded that it had black pupils, I just had to see it. He sent me pix and I was floored. All the colors of an albino, but black pupils. About as extreme as a hypo can get, huh?

I guess I'm trying to say that Jim isn't a mainstream serpent keeper and breeder, but in his job, he sees lots of snakes. He's worked extensively with snakes in the past and has a superior ability to capture, handle and keep snakes. I also want to say that his integrity is without question, in my opinion. A year ago (and probably now), he couldn't tell anyone what an axanthic or albino rat snake looked like. I suspect he didn't even know they were out there.

Now, Re: adult albinos in the wild: Yup, they're out there. I'm saying albinos cuz they have to be the most shocking example of what not to wear in the wild. Nocturnal species that are not required to be out in the sunlight during the day have excellent chances of survival past neonatehood. I'm old enough to have heard many testimonies of wild caught adult snakes. I know of two adult albino Emory's rats caught in Texas. I was privileged to buy an adult albino glossy snake right after it was collected a few years back, that is now on breeding loan with a friend in Ft. Worth. A friend in Kansas found a 3.5 ft albino Emory's rat on a pile of boards near an abandoned house in E. Kansas years ago. I know a guy that found an albino massasaga rattler on the highway one night. Patternless copperhead, albino diamondbacks, albino ringnecks, albino lined snakes, albino hognoses, albino E. yellow-bellied racers, albino water snakes and on and on. All discovered in the wild as adults. Sure, they're rare. In my next book, I theorize that hundreds, if not thousands of albino and other anomalous mutations of serpents are hatched and born every year in the U.S. alone. Probably 99% of them are dead before they're a month old, but the more secretive (and lucky) of those snakes can easily survive in the wild, as evidenced by the dozens or hundreds of adult albino serpents that have been captured here in the U.S. alone.

I understand skepticism about the validity (aka purity) of this snake. I've often said about the snake industry, "it takes one to sell one". We all know there's alot of fraud involved with snakes. Especially when it comes to "new" morphs that don't look like anything we've seen before. The first impression of most folks is to presume Frankensnaking. I know it's not the acid test for this snake, but when he first showed me pix, it was missing part of its tail and had many fresh sores on it. I can just say this, I would gladly buy this snake and I warned him last year that someone would likely try to buy it from him for a few hundred dollars. I urged him to hold onto it and promote the look. He's currently working on that with the help of Daryl.

Now, the snake: I think it's gorgeous and I've never seen one like it. I believe it's a legitimate wild-caught recessive mutation and I put myself on the list to buy offspring long ago. I'd be tickled to have and sell these gems.

I haven't been on this forum for many years, but I am happy to see so much activity here. I plan to be a regular visitor (when I can) and I sure look forward to seeing progress reports on this and other rat snake mutations shown on this forum. Keep up the good work.

Thanks for reading,

Don Soderberg
South Mountain Reptiles
www.cornsnake.NET
South Mountain Reptiles

Just a clarrification, the snake isn't being called a "super hypo", I was just calling it a super looking hypo.

I'd call it an "un-albino"
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Tom

"The more people I meet, the more I like my snakes"

I live in Horry Co. & have some odd Ratsnake mutations. Awesome Albino Chicken Snake. Do you work at the golf course?